How Do You Quantify How "Safe" You Are?

[ECS686]

*And knife. As my old martial arts instructor used to say, "when all else fails, stick a knife in his leg. He'll get off you."

I am not a big fan of knifes. Problem you have to be close to use them and let’s face it. Most folks and especially the olds crown that take a self defence class are scrappers. Heck most even able bodied males have never taken a punch to the face and it shows!

The other issue unless you are in a deadly force situation a knife is not considered “reasonable” which is the buzzword in all 50 states laws on self defense.

In 99% of any negative interaction OC is such a better option Amd is night and day more effective than from the 80‘s and 90’s and has a range of at least 18 or so feet (reputable brands like POM and Sabre)

But people discount it.

The other couple problems with knives is 1 so you really want someone possible of a drug use background getting their blood all kver uiu? And 2 while people still get wrapped up about carrying and using modified firearms making a prosecutor put forth charges if you slice someone up that will definitely make more of an impact with a borderline case with a prosecutor or grand jury .

But everyone is free to go John Wick they’ll figure it out!

 

[Model 457]

Somethings gotta give. I used to move to "better neighborhoods" when I was younger and in my earning years. Now I'm forced to stand my ground where I am regardless of how dangerous the area has become. The single thing I fear most is revenge reprisals if I am forced to defend myself or my property. So you blast the immediate threat but these days their fanatical buddies declare war on you.

 

[Belt Fed]

So you blast the immediate threat but these days their fanatical buddies declare war on you.

Let em come, just throw the cover off the 1919A4 and let er rip.

 

[Ozarker]

Somethings gotta give. I used to move to "better neighborhoods" when I was younger and in my earning years. Now I'm forced to stand my ground where I am regardless of how dangerous the area has become. The single thing I fear most is revenge reprisals if I am forced to defend myself or my property. So you blast the immediate threat but these days their fanatical buddies declare war on you.

Exactly, punks today are much worse then we were back in the day. We had an old man, maybe 55, in the neighborhood, if the ball went in his yard he'd run out and steal it, then throw it back out a few hours later.

One Halloween night he had enough eggs on his house to feed a platoon.

There's always payback to consider.

 

[Model 457]

Exactly, punks today are much worse then we were back in the day. We had an old man, maybe 55, in the neighborhood, if the ball went in his yard he'd run out and steal it, then throw it back out a few hours later.

One Halloween night he had enough eggs on his house to feed a platoon.

There's always payback to consider.

55 is an "old man"?!!! You'd better get off my lawn there junior! Ha ha ha!

 

[Ozarker]

55 is an "old man"?!!! You'd better get off my lawn there junior! Ha ha ha!

We were 12 or so, so 55 was about grandpa's age.....

 

[Certified Silly Goose]

Somethings gotta give. I used to move to "better neighborhoods" when I was younger and in my earning years. Now I'm forced to stand my ground where I am regardless of how dangerous the area has become. The single thing I fear most is revenge reprisals if I am forced to defend myself or my property. So you blast the immediate threat but these days their fanatical buddies declare war on you.

You move to where you can hear banjos when you go outside.

 

[The Night Rider]

Well, I can certainly quantify safer as not needing a security guard to protect my dwelling.

Speaking as a retired security guard, security guards don't protect anything.

Security guards do three things,
They observe.
They report.
And they get the property owner a lower insurance rate.

But again, I ask, our door was locked. There's a kick plate on it

Even if he had attempted he wasn't coming through the door. So was I really less safe because he was on the other side of my wall?

 

[Lab4Us]

Speaking as a retired security guard, security guards don't protect anything.

Security guards do three things,
They observe.
They report.
And they get the property owner a lower insurance rate.

But again, I ask, our door was locked. There's a kick plate on it

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Even if he had attempted he wasn't coming through the door. So was I really less safe because he was on the other side of my wall?

Guess I’m still not understanding the gist of your question. As long as you stay barricaded inside your quarters, I guess you’re safe? If it comes to needing that on my door here to be/feel safe, I would very much consider moving, additional expense or not.

That alone tells me my neighborhood is likely safer than yours (at least to me; I think it’s absurd for any law abiding citizen to need to protect themselves like that unless staying in a motel/hotel in areas they are unfamiliar-or perhaps very familiar with). A key lock and deadbolt is all one should need…and a couple of “Good Boys!”

This is how we spend our days. Thor, there at the door, lets us know if anyone is within 50 ft of the front door, whereupon Zee immediately assists with part 2 of the early warning system…and if they’re solicitors instead of ne’er do wells, they make a wide berth and skip us…so win, win!

 

[bc22wm]

They be lyin, i had a katana.

God bless em some of my neighbors would know a Katana from a Kangaroo.

 

[Certified Silly Goose]

I am not a big fan of knifes. Problem you have to be close to use them and let’s face it. Most folks and especially the olds crown that take a self defence class are scrappers. Heck most even able bodied males have never taken a punch to the face and it shows!

When you're about to go lights out for good, that hardly matters. Either you're serious about self defense, in which case you'd take some knife classes, or you're not.

The other issue unless you are in a deadly force situation a knife is not considered “reasonable” which is the buzzword in all 50 states laws on self defense.

Judged by 12, meet carried by 6.

In 99% of any negative interaction OC is such a better option Amd is night and day more effective than from the 80‘s and 90’s and has a range of at least 18 or so feet (reputable brands like POM and Sabre)

Nobody is arguing that. Knives don't negate OC. There's a reason why cops carry a whole array of SD tools on them. No reason we can't take a page out of their book. A little pocket knife can be a life saver, both literally and figuratively.

The other couple problems with knives is 1 so you really want someone possible of a drug use background getting their blood all kver uiu? And 2 while people still get wrapped up about carrying and using modified firearms making a prosecutor put forth charges if you slice someone up that will definitely make more of an impact with a borderline case with a prosecutor or grand jury .

Again, judged by 12 v carried by 6. You're gonna face the exact same legal issues (even more so) with a firearm. As for disease, if you're forced into THAT particular corner, is it better to die than get someone's blood on you? Alright, so you contract something that's most likely treatable, and if it's not and you only get another 10 years, isn't that better than 0 years?

 

[Lab4Us]

It's a difficult question to understand.

The EDP never made any attempt to enter our apartment. Did the kick plate actually add to our safety or did it add to our perception of safety.

I haven't been in an auto accident since 2007 but I alway wear a seat belt. Does the seatbelt add to my safety or did it add to my perception of safety?

To me, that’s an easy one. A seatbelt absolutely adds to your safety…but only if you have a significant enough accident. Getting t-boned in my 2015 4Runner by a texter blowing a red light, totalling said 4Runner, verified that lesson for me. 4Runner spun twice and hit a light post near the intersection. Every air bag - steering wheel, dashboard, and all curtain, activated. And I had a pretty good chest bruise for about 2 months.

I use my seatbelt when moving car to and from driveway…never know when another driving texter is going to strike. My house sits almost center of two cross streets. Have also had a drunk turn off of one and plow right into the side of my Tundra parked in front of my house. Could have easily had been moving it at that time!

I will give you that most don’t wear seatbelts because they think it makes driving safer. They do it because they don’t want a $500 ticket! Once you’re in a significant enough traffic accident, that perspective quick changes, at least it did for me.

 

[Annihilator]

Speaking as a retired security guard, security guards don't protect anything.

Security guards do three things,
They observe.
They report.
And they get the property owner a lower insurance rate.

But again, I ask, our door was locked. There's a kick plate on it

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Even if he had attempted he wasn't coming through the door. So was I really less safe because he was on the other side of my wall?

Where did you get this at? Looks very interesting for where we live now

 

[The Night Rider]

Guess I’m still not understanding the gist of your question.

It's a difficult question to understand.

As long as you stay barricaded inside your quarters, I guess you’re safe?

As long as we've had that on our door no one has ever attempted to break into our home. So did being "barricaded" in our home make us safer?

If it comes to needing that on my door here to be/feel safe, I would very much consider moving, additional expense or not.

We will be moving in about three weeks. When we do we're taking the kick plate with us and it's going to stay on the front door. Especially given we will primarily be using the back door.

That alone tells me my neighborhood is likely safer than yours (at least to me;

Let's revisit the "safer neighborhood" debate after we move.

I think it’s absurd for any law abiding citizen to need to protect themselves like that unless staying in a motel/hotel in areas they are unfamiliar-or perhaps very familiar with). A key lock and deadbolt is all one should need…and a couple of “Good Boys!”

I mean that entire paragraph sounds like a pro gun control argument. No Law Abiding Citizen needs a Glock 19 and 15 rounds to defend themselves. They should be just fine with a J frame.

I put that thing on my doors and precaution. No one's ever tried to kick in my door. Nobody's ever attempted to break into my home. So you can't really say that I needed that thing any more than I need the fire extinguisher hanging on the wall behind me. I've never needed a life jacket but when I get on a boat I wear one as a precaution

This is how we spend our days. Thor, there at the door, lets us know if anyone is within 50 ft of the front door, whereupon Zee immediately assists with part 2 of the early warning system…and if they’re solicitors instead of ne’er do wells, they make a wide berth and skip us…so win, win!

You know there's an old saying my front door isn't locked for my protection it's locked for yours

I really hope that your unrestrained dogs don't ever get a wild hair to chase a cat and run out in front of somebody's car in the street someday. Or bite the traveling salesman and have to be put down.

True story, the nearest road to my home is going to be about 100 yards away. It's really the only road within three miles of where I live.

Even there I'm not going to leave my front door wide open if for no other reason then I don't like bugs in my house.

And again we go back to my original question I've been here 12 years no one's ever tried to break into my house. If I live there for 12 years and no one tries to break into my house in which place was I safer?

 

[The Night Rider]

Where did you get this at? Looks very interesting for where we live now

It's called the Door Jammer my wife found it online somewhere.

 

[Annihilator]

It's called the Door Jammer my wife found it online somewhere.

Ok, I’ll put that name in a search, thanks!

 

[The Night Rider]

To me, that’s an easy one. A seatbelt absolutely adds to your safety…but only if you have a significant enough accident.

I've had zero accidents in almost 20 years. Was a safer with the seatbelt or without it?

I use my seatbelt when moving car to and from driveway…never know when another driving texter is going to strike.

I put on my seat belt before I start my car period. If I'm driving or you're in my car everybody puts their seatbelt on before the car starts.

Again no accidents in 18 years am I safer or just potentially safer?

 

[The Night Rider]

Ok, I’ll put that name in a search, thanks!

As long as you realize that having one of those in your house is absurd

 

[Certified Silly Goose]

Ok, I’ll put that name in a search, thanks!

Be careful which one you get.

And the hilarious follow-up video.

 

[Lab4Us]

I really hope that your unrestrained dogs don't ever get a wild hair to chase a cat and run out in front of somebody's car in the street someday. Or bite the traveling salesman and have to be put down.

No worries there. They are well trained, well behaved, and well cared for.