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Why I Don't Volunteer That I'm Armed To The Police

Lab4Us said:
This seems to be what gets a lot of “innocent” folks in trouble, as least with the highly publicized incidents involving LE and legal concealed carriers. The inability of those concealsed carrying to keep their hands where the LEO(s) can see them.

I think a few of those were in states where licenses are still required (no Constitutional Carry) and, to be honest, as the number of states WITH Constitutional Carry has increased, I’m surprised these type of unnecessary incidents have not…but that’s obviously a good thing!
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On the rare (thankfully) occasions I've been pulled over, I fish my wallet out and have license and insurance on the console in plain view and my hands at 10 and 2 when the officer arrives at my vehicle window. I follow all instructions and am polite as I can possibly be. None (at least in AL) have asked whether I was carrying, but if they did, I would answer truthfully and tell them where my firearm was on my body - all while keeping my hands at 10 and 2. I've been around a while and have found it universally true that if I treat LE with respect, I typically get a decent experience in return.
 
Here in MN our CCL is linked with our drivers license. We don’t have to inform if we’re pulled over, but then once they run your stuff, they’ll know.
I haven’t been pulled over since I emigrated here, but if I ever am, I would likely keep my mouth shut, but of course if they ask, I’d let them know where it was.
 
Anchorite said:
I wonder if in todays world, all law enforcement training programs and academy’s train their graduates to expect and therefore treat every traffic stop as if the driver and occupants are armed.
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I wasn't a cop, I never wanted to be a cop, actually never wanted to be a security guard it was just something that happened.

All that said, of all the things that I did as a security guard the one that I absolutely hated the most was approaching an unknown car especially after dark.

Every time I had to do that I went out of my way to let them know that I wasn't a cop I was just a security guard and my only interest was in getting them to leave the property.

All that said I assumed that ANYBODY I approached at work at any time was armed.
 
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Every time this discussion comes up I talk about this. It's a minimalist wallet that I bought from REI that is RFID shielded and attached to my keys.

As soon as I pull my key out of the ignition my wallet including my driver's license and concealed handgun permit or right there in my hand no reaching around for them in the car.
 
The Night Rider said:
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Every time this discussion comes up I talk about this. It's a minimalist wallet that I bought from REI that is RFID shielded and attached to my keys.

As soon as I pull my key out of the ignition my wallet including my driver's license and concealed handgun permit or right there in my hand no reaching around for them in the car.
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Yep. I would hand any officer that stopped me my license, registration, pistol permit and insurance all at the same time. Not going to play guessing games, not going to think some legislators got it right and thought of me when they debated legislation.

It’s courteous and lets him know that I may be armed. May not be, but I don’t give a f*ck what the “law” says, I’m going to make sure he knows and I’ve set the rules of engagement for this traffic stop. Better safe(r) than dead In my book.
 
Here in NV I'm not required to tell I'm armed during a traffic stop. I get stopped often on my motorcycle if I'm wearing my patched vest.
I'll just hand the officer my CCW card with my driver's license and let him figure out how he wants to handle it. Some are cool, some are not so cool.
 
NMEDGE said:
In New Mexico the CCW license is linked to drivers license. I have shot with a lot of them at the range and they all know I can shoot better than them so they don't give me a hard time. Thats local, state, and local sheriffs.
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Oddly enough in Michigan it is not (as such if we change our address, our security's of state as we don't have a DMV, does not communicate with the county clerk, we have to update with the county clerk that handles our CPL).

We're also a duty to disclose state, and that has to be the first thing we mention to the officer.

The problem is, even tho you're legally carrying (or even without a CPL, where the gun has to be in the trunk unloaded) officers will still use that as an excuse to perform a search and rip everything apart even tho the supreme Court has already upheld that it violates the 4th amendment, stating that just the presence of a legally owned firearm does not give them the right to perform a search without consent or existent circumstances. But the cops will still try anyways.
 
The Night Rider said:
First I want to say that Colorado (at present). does not require me to inform a police officer that I'm armed in an official contact

The second thing I want to say is that I have not been pulled over by the police since (I think) 2013.

So in 2008 I had a job working in a group home in Green Mountain Falls Colorado. It was about 30 miles west of Colorado Springs on Highway 24.

There was one ******* State Trooper who worked Highway 24 in Ute Pass.

He pulled me over once for failure to yield the Right lane while he had somebody pulled over on the right shoulder of the road. It wasn't a law at the time he just thought I should do it so he pulled me over ran my license registration proof of insurance and then told me why he thought I should do that then let me go.

The second time he pulled me over he pulled me over for "Going too fast for conditions."

He walked up to the car introduced himself and told me why he pulled me over. then asked for my License Registration and Proof of Insurance.

I handed them the documentation and he asked me if there were any weapons in the vehicle.

I already had my wallet in my hands. I didn't say anything I took the concealed handgun permit out of my wallet and handed it to him.

He went absolutely ballistic. He stepped away from the car and put his hand on the gun he started screaming at me. He told me that I was required to a notify him immediately upon contact if I had any weapons in the vehicle. No such law exists in Colorado. Then he told me he could take me to jail. I kind of wish you would have tried it because I would have been able to retire a lot sooner.

About six months later I read that his wife had asked for a divorce and he killed her then got in a standoff with the cops before killing himself.

Remember that's the guy with the gun and and all the power in the interaction standing outside your car window by the side of the dark, deserted road in the middle of the night.

I've never had the following happen to me and that's the only cop who asked me if there were guns in the car.

But I've read stories on the internet of cops disarming posters and returning their guns to them in pieces in a paper bag.B
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Rafah said:
Telling a cop that you are armed, your life is in danger. They go ballistic. They are not even trained to be professional. They become thugs in a New York second. You become a paper target to practice on. OMG. Don’t ever offor free information to a cop. You regret it. And if you do, keep your hands on the steering will and don’t move. That way if they shotot you, you will die holding the steering wheel.
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There's even a ton of youtube lawyers telling you that you have to phrase it differently for your own protection, like rather than saying armed , saying you have a legal firmarm, it's location, you're keeping your hands on wheel, tell me how to proceed yada yada.

But I feel like if a cop is going to go nuts over "I'm armed", all those extra words aren't going to make a huge difference.
 
KBlessing said:
There's even a ton of youtube lawyers telling you that you have to phrase it differently for your own protection, like rather than saying armed , saying you have a legal firmarm, it's location, you're keeping your hands on wheel, tell me how to proceed yada yada.

But I feel like if a cop is going to go nuts over "I'm armed", all those extra words aren't going to make a huge difference.
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Dumb look at all the delusional cop haters coming outta the woodwork lol how lame. Typical
 
KBlessing said:
There's even a ton of youtube lawyers telling you that you have to phrase it differently for your own protection, like rather than saying armed , saying you have a legal firmarm, it's location, you're keeping your hands on wheel, tell me how to proceed yada yada.

But I feel like if a cop is going to go nuts over "I'm armed", all those extra words aren't going to make a huge difference.
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I said it in my original post which was the one and only time it ever happened but if I get asked I don't say anything I just hand them the concealed handgun permit
 
The Night Rider said:
Before I say anything else, Again, I haven't been pulled over in 12 years and that particular time was in broad daylight but when if I get pulled over at night I automatically turned on my dome light and made sure I had my license registration and proof of insurance in my hand before the cop got to my car.

This never happened to me but I've heard the new thing now is for them to walk up and if your windows down "they detect the odor of marijuana".

I don't remember ever running into a cop at work by surprise. But when I did run into a cop that I hadn't called but it's first thing I said was "I'm a security guard. I'm supposed to be here."

I ran into one sheriff's deputy at work one day who was parked right in front of my key card reader at the front gate playing speed trap.

I asked her if she could just slide over to the other side of the driveway so that people could come and go through the gate.

She made a big deal out of the fact that I asked her. Like she was shocked that I made it a request instead of a demand.

Those are the only cops that I remember run having a run-in with outside of the guys at Parks and Rec.

Most of the cops that I encountered at work were a whole lot like me putting in the hours, trying to turn a buck and make the mortgage
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I am aware that I'm responding to myself

As far as cops at work go I always tried to make them feel welcome on site. Like the cop that was sitting outside my gate doing her little speed trap, that's one gate I don't have to go check on it's got a cop gaurding it.

And most of the sites that I worked on were not "private property". They belonged to Colorado Springs Utilities Incorporated (AKA the city) given that cops are city employees they had access anyway.
 
Lab4Us said:
Wait! You’re not going to take credit for East St. Louis? (Having grown up in Florissant/St. Louis Co) - though I haven’t been back since about 1978.
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St. Louis I haven’t seen the late 80’s early 90’s. I’m a yankee Illinois person. I’ve seen a bunch of up here into Wisconsin and Iowa. Personally I wouldn’t mind Iowa but in actuality Iowa cost of living is a little higher than where I’m at now in Illinois. I don’t go to Chicagoland area anymore but more Rockford (just to go grocery shopping) 2 times a month. Rural Illinois off of I-80 ain’t to bad but it has it’s issues like many other places. The biggest part is I got a decent job to complain about and have friends that share the same interests.
 
Tinyman said:
Larrys (both of them) -- guess you go there? Wish I lived closer than I do (I'm in Leeds just East of B'Ham).
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Yes sir! Larry's has a taken a lot of my money 😂 Actually, I've given it to them willingly. Although, I purchased our Echelon 4.0c Comp at Last Resort - they had the best price I found - even better than online. Sadly, it was not the Gear Up pack, but that's okay.

Not sure I've been through Leeds; we generally stick to I-65 when we head down to NW FL (which is really home, but I like getting a paycheck, so Huntsville it is for now lol).
 
negolien said:
Dumb look at all the delusional cop haters coming outta the woodwork lol how lame. Typical
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You know donut operator calls out bad cops, and by your definition, he’d be a cop hater. My father-in-law is a sheriff’s deputy and he has said his coworkers have been idiots and actually cares about constitutional rights for citizens (that thing known as ethical policing!), must be a cop hater! I had a friend who was a small town cop call out an FBI agent for saying that he didn’t give a damn about what the constitution says about something, must be a cop hater! Calling out bad cops should be the norm… The profession would be a lot more respected if other cops called out the dirtbags among their ranks.
 
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