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    CONFLICT AVOIDANCE DURING CIVIL UNREST

    Most recent protests came as a result of cops assaulting and killing unarmed citizens. Or did I miss something? How in your opinion should American citizens protest when they feel their civil rights have been infringed upon? Those people you refer to as "protestors" I am guessing are as...
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    You are so consumed by this 2A conversation you completely missed my point. Let me try to be more succinct for you. I know the difference between private and public property and the power of private property owners to say what goes and what doesn't on said property. I work for the government, in...
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    CONFLICT AVOIDANCE DURING CIVIL UNREST

    Probably the most sensible thing I have read on the forum. Great advice.
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    Bassbob, You didnt read my earlier post correctly, I don't see my employers' ban on carrying weapons on property as an infringement my 2A rights. Neither do I see my employer's or the board moderator control of my comments as infringements. That is the point I was making earlier. There are...
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    No, they will not give me a firearm, nor would I expect them too. I am there to watch a sporting event. So no, whether it a beverage or firearm, I don't feel infringed upon. We live in a country with laws, rules and policy that govern behavior. I am okay with that as I have pointed out before...
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    I didn't address search and seizure...cops do it all the time and cite probable cause. Go to a public sporting event, they search and seize knives, etc. and liquor all the time. If you refuse to take it back to your car, they confiscate it. I know, I've worked at a NFL stadium part-time, while...
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    I can live with minor inconvenience and/or infringements for the greater good. It's not going to ruin my day if I can't carry at work. There are enough of other external factors to that do that which have nothing to do with 2A. If I understand correctly, you are okay with good training and...
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    I realize I am among the small minority on the forum that feels while we have a right to keep and bear arms, allowing someone to physically carry should come with training. That doesn't mean you can't own guns. Much of what is going on in the country today has more to do with some people...
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    You don't think there a current infringements on the your 1st amendment rights? Go to work and tell your boss to f off and see what happens or yell fire in a movie theater. We do tolerate it with regard to other amendments. I known I will never convince you otherwise, so that is not my point or...
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    Lawfully carrying a gun/weapon is in NO WAY just like a driver's license, or even a little bit like a driver's license. It's a guaranteed RIGHT where driving is a PRIVILEGE. I want to ask you this...you made the above statement earlier. Do you feel owning and carrying a gun are the same thing...
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    No form of training will physically prevent or make you do anything. Training is designed to help you make an informed decision in the time you have (maybe just a few seconds), if that, to make a life altering decision. Training is a good thing because some people think just because once they...
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    When I say muzzle or pull trigger, I am talking about a scenario during which I am confronted with my life or my safety is at stake; even then, I will have to answer to someone. I am not stating or suggesting that I am doing so in a hostile, unprovoked manner. Please understand that. Regarding...
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    Jumpinjoe, you raise some real world everyday scenarios that are valid. Criminals and crazies don't usually follow rule, law, policy or what's considered acceptable normal behavior. So when talking gun rights specific, we can't factor them into the equation. Taxes, rules and laws is for us law...
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    I guess for me it depends on what they did to land them in jail and how they conduct themselves while in jail. Jail is both disciplinary in nature and it is also billed as a rehabilitative process. But, not all parolees are rehabilitated or resocialized upon release. Recidivism is a real thing...
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    I guess the best way to sum it is this, in all facets of life in America, there are rules and regulations, acceptible and unacceptable norms that we live by. There aren't many aspects of our personal life, work life, and 2A life that don't include some proverbial fine print. So, where you say...
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    I think our 2A rights are safe. I don't myself see a training mandate as an infringement. I respect your opinion and I don't view it as an arugument, you are simply making a point.
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    No, not selling my guns and buying a flintlock. We can agree to disagree on the points you raised. I am personally confident that the government will NEVER have us give up our guns. I don't lose sleep over that. That's just rhetoric.
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    My understanding of the 2nd and my rights with it

    2A is written in a very broad sense. When the Constitution was written, it had simple times in mind meaning a person that lived on a farm had the right to protect his family, chickens horses and goats. The authors of the that document didnt account for some idiot with an axe to grind taking...
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    End a Home Invasion Before It Starts

    It still makes no sense to me when I see people keep their outdoor lights off at night trying to save 45 cents on the electric bill. Bad guys don't like to be seen while on your property, this just makes it easier for them.
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    Wives Who Carry

    I wouldn't trust my other half to carry a cup of water, let alone a loaded weapon.
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