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I found this FBI white paper on handgun ballistics to be very educational. http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf Disclaimer: It IS from 1989, so it is certainly possible that some of this info has changed. If anybody knows of newer refutation to any of this, I would LOVE to hear...

I know I'm late to this party, but after reading the whole thread, I feel like there are 2 important points that were not really discussed. 1) The cops can always charge you with something if they feel like it. It's up to the DA or State Attorney to decide whether to prosecute, and then up to a...

The person you were responding to said this: Do you not get how your initial response didn't really answer his question? Obviously, what is a "2011" depends a lot on the context. Sometimes, 2011 means any double stack 1911. Sometimes, it means any of them that have a 2-piece grip/frame and...

What you said is correct, but not really the answer to his question. It's no more accurate or useful than if somebody says "what is a Hi-Power" and you responded "it's a single stack semi-automatic pistol." Is a 2011 a double stack 1911? Yes. But, is every double stack 1911 a 2011? No. Not at...

Oh, and also, I didn't say anything at all about weight. And, when the DWX was announced the retail pricing had it right at the same price as a Prodigy. So, yeah, the SFX9 is hand built and costs in the same ball park as a hand built 2011. I want a pistol like the DWX, that is innovate and...

Am I mistaken? Is a 2011 frame for 9mm a different size than a 2011 frame for a 45? As far as I know, a 2011 frame is a 2011 frame, whether you choose to build a 9 with it or a 45. In which case, the frame (grip part) is big enough (i.e. wide enough AND long enough) to hold a 45 magazine (or a...

I've had a 2011 since the late '90s. To be honest, I'm kinda over them. They are the top dog for certain divisions in USPSA competition. For now. Otherwise, I feel like they are kinda outdated. Mainly, by virtue of being designed around 45 ACP and thus being bigger/bulkier than what is ideal for...

The issues I've been reading about that people are having with the Prodigy do not seem, to me, to be issues of a lack of hand fitting. In fact, where hand fitment would apply, the Prodigy is reportedly very good. E.g. slide to frame fit. The issues I've read about are things like too soft a...

Finally! Ha ha! We agree! :D

Have you ever taken a class in Human Factors? Or even read anything semi-formal on the subject? Anyway.... I will fall back on the old "appeal to authority" argument. The top practical pistol competition shooters in the world pretty much all shoot 2011s (in the competition divisions where they...

My post really didn't have anything to do with that guy's post.

I just want to give a last couple of thoughts on this. I know I'm not going to change most of your minds. But, hopefully, a few people will read this and give these things some thought based on the merits. I am no expert. I'm not a shooting instructor. No LE or military experience. Just a...

Exactly! 💯!

Also, can you give me any real-world examples of a self-defense scenario where the difference in accuracy between a preeminent accuracy pistol and a Rival made ANY difference to the outcome?

Yep. If you don't know, then you don't know....

Are you comparing a stock Rival to a custom 1911? And what does any of this have to do with whether a thumb safety and grip safety are desirable or not, for EDC?

And how do the thumb safety and grip safety give you an advantage with those guns in a self-defense situation? (i.e. the question I asked in the post you replied to)

An answer to a question that I did not ask. Not even close. Also, you have obviously not shot a Canik Rival.

Right. So, anyway.... Who here thinks it is actually an ADVANTAGE to have to click off a thumb safety and mash a grip safety, when the SHTF? I'm not talking about for LE or military. I'm talking about when a regular shmoe has to defend themselves. I'm not talking about holstering or other...

What does price have to do with an officer that wants to carry their personal 1911 but is not allowed to?