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The short barrel is a shotgun ,the packing rod hasn't been cut down, it has a stamp with Springfield 1850. The cool part about the other rifle is it is a drop block but it is a black powder that loads from the rear,has to be a preload of some sort . No numbers ar all.

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Thanks, I will post more photos later. All the info is helpful.

Looking for any info on these old guns. Thanks