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i was watching court tv and the live trial of her suspected of running over her boyfriend in 22
which led to a mis trail


any whooo
today the forensic expert was asked a question about the data base that had the evidence collected and processed.
the issue was a time stamp on the date base that was BEFORE the guy was killed. so the attorney asked how the time stamp could reflect a search of evidence prior to the death of the subject?
her explanation is pure bologna
she said the time stamp updates when a person logs in the review the evidence etc. and it can put in a date that is not consistent with the current date and time
as its a quirk in the system...
yeah right
in my limited life of spreadsheets the only way to make dates earlier than they are is to manually change the date in the file under properties, and this huge data base the foresnic people use probably does not allow the user to change properties at will.

so how does the time stamps of detectives or others reviewing the data change the search date to PRIOR to the actual death or crime?
ms reads insistent on cover up...sure gets some traction in this area.
plus the expert was not very clear about how evidence is processed in the system and apple sometimes creates dates at will base don user searches??? hmmmm what????
an evidence data base should be bullet proof right ? i mean your using that data to convict a person, it needs to be perfect
or am i nuts and old
 
powerboatr said:
i was watching court tv and the live trial of her suspected of running over her boyfriend in 22
which led to a mis trail


any whooo
today the forensic expert was asked a question about the data base that had the evidence collected and processed.
the issue was a time stamp on the date base that was BEFORE the guy was killed. so the attorney asked how the time stamp could reflect a search of evidence prior to the death of the subject?
her explanation is pure bologna
she said the time stamp updates when a person logs in the review the evidence etc. and it can put in a date that is not consistent with the current date and time
as its a quirk in the system...
yeah right
in my limited life of spreadsheets the only way to make dates earlier than they are is to manually change the date in the file under properties, and this huge data base the foresnic people use probably does not allow the user to change properties at will.

so how does the time stamps of detectives or others reviewing the data change the search date to PRIOR to the actual death or crime?
ms reads insistent on cover up...sure gets some traction in this area.
plus the expert was not very clear about how evidence is processed in the system and apple sometimes creates dates at will base don user searches??? hmmmm what????
an evidence data base should be bullet proof right ? i mean your using that data to convict a person, it needs to be perfect
or am i nuts and old
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Yea, typical lawyer crap…..
 
I suppose it could depend upon where the date stored is generated. If it uses date and time stamp from the database server thwn the server date would have to be manipulated to input an incorrect date.

If it allowed the user to key in a date it would be easy to screw up. BUT, since the evidence collected would be created prior to the current system date it would require a manual collection date to be entered therefore the system would have no real way of knowing what date it was created/collected. But the date the record was created should be the current system date.
 
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it went on a bit more
where he asked again about how the evidence database was accessed according to the time stamps in the computer
PRIOR to the guys death, as in days before. , not the day they discovered the body...we are talking almost 2 days before he died in the snow, the night she supposedly ran over him.
he was found at scene frozen and with injuries consistent with blunt trauma like car or something to the like

imo if the data base evidence was accessed days before the death...how would forensic evidence be in the system?
really strange back and forth in the experts answers
i got the feeling we are to believe the expert, just because she made up some weird story about how the system can randomly create dates in the system when people access the evidence file to read it.
 
To date, it's a difficult case to say the least. She appears to be a willing, able media darling, and the Boston Police have been one of the most corrupt departments in the nation, I'll wager rotten from the head down. I doubt the truth will ever be realized.
 
Sld1959 said:
I suppose it could depend upon where the date stored is generated. If it uses date and time stamp from the database server thwn the server date would have to be manipulated to input an incorrect date.

If it allowed the user to key in a date it would be easy to screw up. BUT, since the evidence collected would be created prior to the current system date it would require a manual collection date to be entered therefore the system would have no real way of knowing what date it was created/collected. But the date the record was created should be the current system date.
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So there can be a discrepancy in the server times especially during updates and the server farm/cloud timing updates but it is usually quite small. Not two days. I have been a DBA and also ran many a network of varying types/OS versions. In addition to actually scripting for servers and writing code in differing languages as well as having years of cyber security expertise. Whenever you hear the old "computer glitch" routine be extremely skeptical. In the vast majority of cases those are falsehoods, dodges or excuses made up by phony "experts" or guesses by the uninformed.
 
She is an attractive defendant and seems likeable. Absent a smoking gun a jury is not likely to believe she is capable of murder with malice. It is an uphill battle for the prosecution, all she needs is reasonable doubt.
 
Bassbob said:
I'm pretty sure she was set up. The real question is will the people actually responsible ever be brought to justice.
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imo the odd dates of access to an evidence file, days before the guy was dead really caught my eye as ...wait...what?
small time slips i could get behind, but not days and now with the bs answers the expert gave and how she teaches new techs to accept odd time stamps... becasue software is apple based and it can be off time wise or create time stamps
..i ask any body running apple software does it at random assign new times or the like :ROFLMAO:
 
The first trial was a debacle with one of the lead investigators being discredited and losing his job. This 'glitch' in the evidence process is, to say the least "alarming." I've developed somewhat of a jaundiced eye regarding agency evidence process in my 27 years in the system, to say nothing of the recent developments with one of our state bureau of investigations DNA technicians having been charged with over a hundred felonies for submitting doctored or fictitious results.
 
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