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Learning How to Shoot Takes Practice and Patience: The Sheriff’s Take

Always practice, always. Different techniques and just not stationary in a range. Move and shoot. Shoot and move.

case in point from several New York police officers. Here is a quote from the news story:


"Drop the gun! Drop the gun! Drop it," Office Daurys Gutierrez can be heard screaming at (suspect) Vasquez on his body camera.

Gutierrez fired two shots, while Detective Specialist Jason Harper fired nine shots and Sgt. Kensington Cunningham fired three shots.

(Suspect) Vasquez was struck one time in the head and taken to Mount Sinai Morningside Hospital where he was pronounced dead. He fired a total of five shots. “

so lets discuss this. Lets take away fear, spur of the moment, rapid situation awaeness, etc, etc ...
why do you train ???

these the officers fired 14 rounds and hit him 1 time.
 
KillerFord1977 said:
Always practice, always. Different techniques and just not stationary in a range. Move and shoot. Shoot and move.

case in point from several New York police officers. Here is a quote from the news story:


"Drop the gun! Drop the gun! Drop it," Office Daurys Gutierrez can be heard screaming at (suspect) Vasquez on his body camera.

Gutierrez fired two shots, while Detective Specialist Jason Harper fired nine shots and Sgt. Kensington Cunningham fired three shots.

(Suspect) Vasquez was struck one time in the head and taken to Mount Sinai Morningside Hospital where he was pronounced dead. He fired a total of five shots. “

so lets discuss this. Lets take away fear, spur of the moment, rapid situation awaeness, etc, etc ...
why do you train ???

these the officers fired 14 rounds and hit him 1 time.
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Those many shots may also say many other things about those people besides their aim.... or goals?
Sounds like a mixture of sometimes very poor training among other things from the one's shots.
 
Bassbob said:
The fact is ( and I say this as a guy with a bunch of friends who are cops) most cops shoot once a year at quals.
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Yep
I outshoot every law enforcement officer I know except for one guy on SWAT and one guy who sides as a 1911 competition shooter. I give the rest of my police friends a “handicap”
 
KillerFord1977 said:
Yep
I outshoot every law enforcement officer I know except for one guy on SWAT and one guy who sides as a 1911 competition shooter. I give the rest of my police friends a “handicap”
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I used to outshoot most of them when I was a member of a different range that let them use the place for their qualifications. These days I train with a group of guys that includes some current and former cops and military. Pretty much all those guys make me look stupid. On the other hand I work with a bunch of cops. Mostly STL city cops. And while they are generally a great bunch of guys, they are seriously out of shape, know very little about the weapons they carry and I seriously doubt they spend much time shooting. Not all of them though. One of them is an instructor, a retired marine and a police captain. Another is a young guy and while I don't know his shooting habits, I do know his gun buying habits. He buys a lot of guns. He brings them in sometimes to show me. So I assume he shoots a little.
 
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