SIG M18 mishaps investigated in death of Airman 7/20/25
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Musashi
Elite
Remember that the newest/latest/greatest thing is not always an improvement. Change should be made to give more positive results. Change just for the sake of change is never a good idea. I’ll say again, the 1911 served longer than any handgun in US history (or maybe even history in total-certainly among modern pistols). Has anyone ever heard of a cocked and locked .45 going off by itself? Yea, me neither.
Lab4Us
Custom
I still have a Wilson Super Sentinel (.38 Super 3.6” 1911) that I occasionally carry cocked and locked. I think it’s my current “in possession” gun with most rounds downrange … 1394 (thirteen hundred and ninety four). I find it easy to carry and a joy to shoot!
The 1911 is a great gun. However here is some histoey I learned from Tom Givens at Rangemaster Advance Instructor class
The Military fought about getting out of handguns immediately before WW2 kicked off so the Army had had the 1911 for only 20 some years at that point and decided to keep them.
WW2 kicked off and the build up with millions more 1911’s built during the war. Between the late 1940’s and early 50’s the Military looked at a 9mm as well as the Commander and S&W developed the Model 39 for a new handgun to be submitted.
Between politicos (or taboo using a former enemy’s caliber so soon after a couoke World Wars and the Military actually looked at the millions of 1911’s in inventory many unissued and said we will make do.
So while the 1911 is a great design of it haven’t been the number we had from WW2 we would have probably not had it as long as we did.
Smith & Wesson Model 39 - Wikipedia
Talyn
SAINT
Sig Sauer pistol still in wide use across military after airman’s death
While some units in the Air Force have pulled the M18 from duty after a discharge killed an airman last week, officials from the other services said they have no plans to modify or pause use of the pistol.
Sig Sauer pistol still in wide use across military after airman's death
Officials from the three services said they have no plans to modify or pause use of the Sig Sauer pistol after the death of an airman.
taskandpurpose.com
“We have not seen any evidence that indicates design or manufacturing issues are present,” Meghan Stoltzfus, a Marine Corps spokesperson, said in a statement to Task & Purpose. She added that the M18 was “rigorously tested” to Department of Defense standards and “subject to extensive lot acceptance testing” with oversight by the Defense Contract Management Agency, Army and Marine Corps.
Correct. It's a tool being used to apply slight pressure to the trigger, not a modification to the gun. Glad you understand now.
I just pulled the trigger on one - really good deal - appears to be an unissued police trade in X-Carry Pro w/Romeo1 Pro, 3 mags, case, extra battery. $417 shipped for what's functionally a new gun and optic where the gun still retails for $683 (but I'm assuming nobody is buying these new or at that price right now). The optic alone is worth at least half the price... and having an FCU to put into something else is the other half.
I know how to run the sear movement test, and if it fails I know where to get machined parts to replace it. I also know how to remove the third leg on the sear should I decide to go that route.
It'll end up being a range gun, so even if it did have "this" defect, it won't ever be loaded and holstered for carry, so I'll never have the problem. If SIG does come up with a fix, I'll happily send it in.
Annihilator
Hellion
So, there still selling them, there are thousands of them out there and a few incidents with them, including the one where the person died, possibly from an incident with it, there are not any suggestions to remove them from sales…..this kind of posting about the 320 needs to end, we all know by reading the numerous posts on here about them, nobody cares anymore, give this a rest…..
Lab4Us
Custom
Actually, I care very much if anyone is going to be held accountable for an Airman’s death. And I can also accept if it’s deemed an accident. But I would certainly like to know either way.
I also hope this forum doesn’t turn into SigTalk/GlockTalk where anyone who is concerned about the P320 safety issues start getting banned or their posts deleted when they make counterarguments to Sig Sauer’s P320 explanations for what’s going on with the P320.
Annihilator
Hellion
In a previous post on this, I said it was a very sad situation about the guy who died cause of this issue, I’m not talking about him, just this constant posting of who is banning the gun and such, that’s what I am referring to, I don’t see this turning into the other forums your referring to, like I said there are thousands of these pistols out there with just some that had the issue, but it does seem weird it’s mostly law enforcement and military who had it, then you get these YouTube idiots cashing in on this, staging this issue
Lab4Us
Custom
Gotcha. About the only YouTube gun videos I watch is when I can’t get a gun apart (usually a 1911 with one of those RSAs you have to use a paperclip to hold) or a spring goes flying on disassembly and I can’t figure out how it goes back together (Beretta PX4 Storm Compact). Don’t do facebook, X, Instagram, or Tik Tok. So I don’t track any of the YouTube, or other, firearm “experts”. Pretty much figure they have as much info about the situation as I do since they don’t work at Sig.
Sharks79
Custom
Samsies, and definitely wouldn’t want one pointing at my less than impressive junk
I'm sorry you can't read. All of them have zero bids.
I got the one I wanted elsewhere.