Jsimon78
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They did not get away with the G23. The G22 is in blue label which is GSSF/military/LEO
SA .40 S&W
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Glock discontinued all generations of 40 S&W as well as the Gen 3&4 9mm,357 Sig and 45 GAP models
As well as the Glock 17 and 34/35.
The 34/35 were great guns for the time with Dawson adjustable sights however with the popularity of pistol optics and 9mm or 10/45 the 34/35 and other models only accounted for 9% of sales. So they did what any conpany does cut the low selling models.
10mm is popular with that market and 45 will always be popular however 9mm has won the caliber debate as that’s what the majority has voted on with more 9mm in everything outnumbering other calibers (if you like 10,45 whatever good I run a lot of 45’s however 9 outsells everything else)
GLOCK Streamlines Firearm Offerings to Make Room for Future Innovation
Strategically reducing product offerings to focus on delivering high-quality, relevant pistols for innovation and growth.
us.glock.com
Jsimon78
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Actually if read it the Gen5 G23 is not discontinued.Glock discontinued all generations of 40 S&W as well as the Gen 3&4 9mm,357 Sig and 45 GAP models
As well as the Glock 17 and 34/35.
The 34/35 were great guns for the time with Dawson adjustable sights however with the popularity of pistol optics and 9mm or 10/45 the 34/35 and other models only accounted for 9% of sales. So they did what any conpany does cut the low selling models.
10mm is popular with that market and 45 will always be popular however 9mm has won the caliber debate as that’s what the majority has voted on with more 9mm in everything outnumbering other calibers (if you like 10,45 whatever good I run a lot of 45’s however 9 outsells everything else)
GLOCK Streamlines Firearm Offerings to Make Room for Future Innovation
Strategically reducing product offerings to focus on delivering high-quality, relevant pistols for innovation and growth.
GLOCK 23
The GLOCK 23 combines compact dimensions for both open and concealed carry, with minimum weight, despite its substantial magazine capacity in 40 S&W caliber.
us.glock.com
GLOCK 23 Gen5 MOS
us.glock.com
Then there’s the Blue label side of Glock.
I do have a GSSF membership that allows me to access blue label Glocks. I know I can complain about shooting 1 Glock and you pretty much shot them all.
Anchorite
Master Class
I personally prefer my 229 to the G23.
Jsimon78
Custom
SIG SAUER P229 9mm |Compact Pistol Series
The SIG SAUER P229 is a 9mm pistol with an expansive line of handguns. Shop now for the Custom Works Limited Run, LEGION specialty guns, and more!
www.sigsauer.com
Didn’t even use google. Personally not a fan of SIG after the handling of what is going on. I trust Glock (which I’m not a fan of but it works) more than SIG. Heck even S&W treated me ok.
All 40 cal Glocl are discontinued. They will support any LE contracts but no new productionActually if read it the Gen5 G23 is not discontinued.
GLOCK 23
The GLOCK 23 combines compact dimensions for both open and concealed carry, with minimum weight, despite its substantial magazine capacity in 40 S&W caliber.
GLOCK 23 Gen5 MOS
Then there’s the Blue label side of Glock.
I do have a GSSF membership that allows me to access blue label Glocks. I know I can complain about shooting 1 Glock and you pretty much shot them all.
Jsimon78
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I am adding a screen shot str8 from Glocks website. Yes the G22 is going but you see the G23 and you will only see Gen 4 which leaves Gen 5. We don’t know what Gen 6 will bring. I’m also going to add the link below.
GLOCK Streamlines Firearm Offerings to Make Room for Future Innovation
Strategically reducing product offerings to focus on delivering high-quality, relevant pistols for innovation and growth.
us.glock.com
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I tend to believe 2 friends that work for Glock. Of course anyone can Try ordering a 40 cal Glock BNIB and see how that works. IfI am adding a screen shot str8 from Glocks website. Yes the G22 is going but you see the G23 and you will only see Gen 4 which leaves Gen 5. We don’t know what Gen 6 will bring. I’m also going to add the link below.
GLOCK Streamlines Firearm Offerings to Make Room for Future Innovation
Strategically reducing product offerings to focus on delivering high-quality, relevant pistols for innovation and growth.
You can even get one it’s because they might have a couple in the pipeline somewhere . As all the 40 fans gobbled them up whenthe announcement came same with 34/35’s
Glock is not manufacturing anything 40 357 or 45 Gap caliber.
As to a Gen 6 that’s theory and conjecture they are pretty busy with the COA demand right now which e Line should be available on Glock COA’s in 60 ish days was the estimate my Gkick REO stated
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Musashi
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If I might diverge from the topic for a moment; I used to hate the blockiness of sig along with safeties, hammers and decockers, so I went with Glocks for the simplicity. I got the first G17 in my city back in the early 80's and appreciated the dependability. In hindsight, traded my 1911 gov model for it but didn't regret it at the time. Never had a problem with Glocks until I started shooting competitively. The G17 mag release caused me to have to change my grip during reload and the mags would not release willingly which slowed me down, Most of my posse shoot Sigs, H&K's, Walthers, CZ's, Stacattos. My G23 is in my nightstand but my xfive legion is what I shoot when I compete.SIG SAUER P229 9mm |Compact Pistol Series
The SIG SAUER P229 is a 9mm pistol with an expansive line of handguns. Shop now for the Custom Works Limited Run, LEGION specialty guns, and more!
Didn’t even use google. Personally not a fan of SIG after the handling of what is going on. I trust Glock (which I’m not a fan of but it works) more than SIG. Heck even S&W treated me ok.
I want a hammer gun and the P226 is at the top of my list.
P226-XFIVE LEGION
Featuring the precision of the legendary P226-XFIVE with new enhancements for better performance. NO RECEIPTS NO WARRANTY CARDS FULLY-TRANSFERABLE FOREVER SIG SAUER® Infinite Guarantee™
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P320 XCARRY 40 S&W 10RD MAG CAL-X KIT
Convert your P320 to this carry size 40 S&W caliber with this easy exchange kit!
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deadduck357
Custom
Yes it's on the chopping block. There are still some new at dealers.
deadduck357
Custom
They are out there, saw one under the counter at Academy last week.
The only difference is they use the wider and 3 Oz heavier slide (same as the Glock 45 Gap) that is 1.08” wide so you can’t use a standard Glock 17 holster. The Gen 2-4 Glocks in 40 cal use the same slide as the 9mm 17/19 etc which is 1.0” wide.
The heavier slide also allowed Glocl to go back to 2 pins instead of 3 which was a weak point and cracked in the California Highway Patrol trials in 1990 and Glocks added a 3rd pin
I guess after 30 years of perfection they realized they needed a 3 Oz heavier slide instead of a 3rs pin!
deadduck357
Custom
The slightly heavier slide also lessened felt recoil.
While mechanically true that makes more of a difference iver a 6 stage match tjan a self defense shooting. It makes more of a difference in long term durability.
That said I am wondering why it took 30 years. When Glock had their 40 cal guns to market before S&W after getting rounds at SHOT in 1990 the CHP trials the frames cracked. Glocks fix was to add a 3rd pin and seemed to work as king as folks replaced recall springs all but at less than half the amount of rounds of 9mm versions.
Anchorite
Master Class
As I understand the history, from some folks who were involved, Glock was aware of the issue as far back as the 90s.
What was happening - again as I understand it - was the 1 pin locking blocks on the .40 models were rotating out of the the frame, as the gun was fired (and the frame flexed). This was causing the 2 "arms" of the locking block to come up and make contact with the underside of the slide as it traveled to the rear.
This was noticed by armorers for local LE and some state agencies across the US. Specifically, the issue with the G22s was that when the handgun was fired, the frame would flex (which is normal), and the locking block was rotating on its pin, making contact with the underside of the slide, and therefore slowing the slide velocity down. This was viewed by the higher-ups at Glock as acceptable and that the wear would eventually stop degrading.
Word was Glock was guessing that extra strength was not needed in the .40S&W models. They missed that one. We all know it took Glock a while to admit that, but they eventually did and we got the 2 pin 40s.
The 3-pin fix for the .40 caliber pistols was long overdue by the time they got around to it. Is it really necessary? I don’t really know.
An agency I was involved we all had personal approve guns 357 Wheelguns 9mm and 45’s (this was 1990) they were looking at an issue gun and from their correspondence with CHP was told frames cracked whem they tested the Glock 22 and S&W 4006 so 4006 was adopted.
My agency adopted the Betetta 96 in late 1992 after I left.
The biggest issue with 40 guns is companies that simply chambered their 9mm for the larger 40 generally had issues. However those that engineered the guns as a 40 from the start had almost no growing pains. HK USP the Sig 229 (Sig made the slides out of milled stainless and that’s why it too several years to switch iver to the 226 and eventually all the 23X series were changed to stainless slides which the pines breech was the weak area in the 22x series. It took 50-70,000 rounds but if something broke it was usually the roll pin that secured the breech onto the slide) and later the S&W M&P (the earlier by like 12 years Sigma was one of S&W dismal failures and I won’t count it)
Heard a rumor that the future Glock will be a double barrel .22 short with 10 inch barrels-it’ll be called the “California model”Glock discontinued all generations of 40 S&W as well as the Gen 3&4 9mm,357 Sig and 45 GAP models
As well as the Glock 17 and 34/35.
The 34/35 were great guns for the time with Dawson adjustable sights however with the popularity of pistol optics and 9mm or 10/45 the 34/35 and other models only accounted for 9% of sales. So they did what any conpany does cut the low selling models.
10mm is popular with that market and 45 will always be popular however 9mm has won the caliber debate as that’s what the majority has voted on with more 9mm in everything outnumbering other calibers (if you like 10,45 whatever good I run a lot of 45’s however 9 outsells everything else)
GLOCK Streamlines Firearm Offerings to Make Room for Future Innovation
Strategically reducing product offerings to focus on delivering high-quality, relevant pistols for innovation and growth.
Everybody knows the next one will be a Glock SCAR come on! LOLHeard a rumor that the future Glock will be a double barrel .22 short with 10 inch barrels-it’ll be called the “California model”