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FN America Delivers Guns Chambered In 6.5mm LICC For U.S. Military Testing

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The American subsidiary of Belgian gunmaker Fabrique Nationale (FN) has delivered new prototype rifles and machine guns chambered to fire the 6.5x43mm Lightweight Intermediate Caliber Cartridge (LICC) to the U.S. military. LICC is one of several avenues the U.S. military has pursued in the past decade to find new small arms that offer greater range and terminal effectiveness, particularly over existing types firing the 5.56x45mm round. Though a U.S.-led effort, Canada has also been deeply involved in LICC.

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FN America Delivers Guns Chambered In 6.5mm LICC For U.S. Military Testing

Canada is also deeply tied to work on the new guns, which aim to offer improvements in range, accuracy, and lethality.
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6.5x43mm LICC cartridges. FN America
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FN America’s LICC-AMG, at left, and LICC-IWS, at right. FN Americ
In recent years, the U.S. special operations community has also increasingly embraced the 6.5mm Creedmoor round, again because of the increased range, accuracy, and terminal performance it offers over 5.56x45mm, as well as 7.62x51mm. U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) has ordered examples of at least two new rifles in this caliber in the past two years, and has also been evaluating belt-fed machine guns chambered to fire this round.
 
Which begs two questions. (1) why wasn’t the 6.8 SPC adopted years ago which could have used existing platforms via a simple barrel change and (2) after the brouhaha about the about the new SIG rifle and cartridge -if it’s all that it was cracked up to be why are we still looking at new platforms? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
To me it looks like they came up with their own version of the 6.8 SPC of something close enough to it

That said it also seems we have pretty much exhausted the possibility of making rounds do something better than what we have went through the last 120 some years.

I mean how many times will we learn the 6.5 has pretty much the best traits for long range accuracy from 6.5 Swed to 260 Remington to 6.5 creed (I think the creed suffers from folks running it to fast)

So short of the Star Wars blasters bit sure what folks think they can outdo so I’ll stick with 308,3006,270 3030 and 4570 for rifles and 38/357 45 acp/Colt and 9mm for handguns
But I could be surprised
 
I don't think that the 6.8spc would be as good past 500 yards only due to bc not as good. Since spc is a special purpose cartridge it aas more of a niche cartridge. It has a little more muzzle energy over the 26cal in an ar15 cartridge. If the bolt and barrel extension was redesigned then pressure could be as high as 65k and would be the game changer! With the 110-115gr in the 26 and 27cals ghe winner would be the lesser. I'm a fan of the 6.8spc over the 6.5gren which isn't much of a change or improvement with the 6.5x43
 
ECS686 said:
To me it looks like they came up with their own version of the 6.8 SPC of something close enough to it

That said it also seems we have pretty much exhausted the possibility of making rounds do something better than what we have went through the last 120 some years.

I mean how many times will we learn the 6.5 has pretty much the best traits for long range accuracy from 6.5 Swed to 260 Remington to 6.5 creed (I think the creed suffers from folks running it to fast)

So short of the Star Wars blasters bit sure what folks think they can outdo so I’ll stick with 308,3006,270 3030 and 4570 for rifles and 38/357 45 acp/Colt and 9mm for handguns
But I could be surprised
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You won’t be. The laws of physics are still the same. Powders mat inprove and allow a smaller case for a given projectile but nothing really “new” has occurred for a long long time. The new SIG rifle with its 80k psi operating pressure delivers about 500 fps more than the old 6.5 did 100 + years ago at a bit over half the chamber pressure😏
 
Shibadog said:
You won’t be. The laws of physics are still the same. Powders mat inprove and allow a smaller case for a given projectile but nothing really “new” has occurred for a long long time. The new SIG rifle with its 80k psi operating pressure delivers about 500 fps more than the old 6.5 did 100 + years ago at a bit over half the chamber pressure😏
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Sort of where I’m at. I do get a kick at those that try and justify (ok outright want to argue) over the increased PSI in 277 Fury isn’t that bad….like whatever you want to get behind and spend your money on: don’t take offense whem it’s not my choice.

People are the same way because I don’t run a pistol optic. Funny thing I’ve probably been to more professional level pistol optic classes them they have just to learn.

I just like what I like!
 
TEXASforLIFE said:
I don't think that the 6.8spc would be as good past 500 yards only due to bc not as good.
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It's been a long time, and my memory may be a bit foggy, but as I recall most "self-propelled, pop-up targets with the IQ of a rock", aka infantrymen, couldn't hit a circus tent at 500 yards. ;) Ya I know everyone and their brother is a :censored:
snipper now:rolleyes:. 24/25, 6mm/6.5mm seems the way to go just wondering who's getting the kickback this time?
FYI six years light Infantry before there were light infantry leg battalions. Although it didn't feel that light when humping it on your back:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
mikep said:
And so now they’ll have two different rifles using two different calibers? Makes no sense to me.
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So,...

#1 - Why did the US have and field two different rifles using two different calibers in WW2 and Korea? The M1 Garand and the M1 carbine.

Throw in the 1928A3/M1A1 Thompson and M3 Grease gun submachine guns in another different caliber for good measure.

#2 - And have and use two different rifles using two different calibers in Vietnam? The M-14 and M-16.


BTW - The 6.5x43 guns are test and evaluation samples of two all-new weapon systems – LICC-IWS and LICC-AMG – along with ammunition as part of a long-term development contract with the Department of Defense’s Irregular Warfare Technical Support Directorate (IWTSD).

The US military tests A LOT of stuff for "potential" use (as per the underlined above), and the SOCOM group uses a lot of stuff that the regular troopers don't.
 
I will add there has been one new development (well within the last 30 years of so gaht it’s become more special production available for .Mil contracts)

From companies like True Velocity. The weight reduction whem your talking mini gun ammo or for a M2/3 50 cal is an epic game changer

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Talyn said:
Why did the US have and field two different rifles using two different calibers in WW2 and Korea? The M1 Garand and the M1 carbine.
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Because the carbine was meant to replace the pistol for support personal? And a 30-06 in a carbine sized gun would be a hoot to shoot once, maybe twice. ;)
 
It was common for troopers to trade in their M1 Garands for M1 Carbines to save weight & carry more ammo.

Should have the US canceled the M1 Garand since the M1 Carbine existed was popular to carry, was lighter in weight, and troopers could carry more ammo?

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IMO, while the M7 & M250 (6.6x51) are entering service, both are suited to correct the M4/M249 5.56 long-range deficiencies that occurred in Iraq & Afghanistan, in the larger AR10-type category.

And that doesn't mean there can't be another cartridge to replace & improve upon the 5.56 in a M-16/M249 form-factor platforms that would work fine in closer-range scenarios where the 6.8x51 would be a bit overkill.

No different than the M1 Garand/M1 Carbine analogy.
 
Talyn said:
It was common for troopers to trade in their M1 Garands for M1 Carbines to save weight & carry more ammo.

Should have the US canceled the M1 Garand since the M1 Carbine existed was popular to carry, was lighter in weight, and troopers could carry more ammo?

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IMO, while the M7 & M250 (6.6x51) are entering service, both are suited to correct the M4/M249 5.56 long-range deficiencies that occurred in Iraq & Afghanistan, in the larger AR10-type category.

And that doesn't mean there can't be another cartridge to replace & improve upon the 5.56 in a M-16/M249 form-factor platforms that would work fine in closer-range scenarios where the 6.8x51 would be a bit overkill.

No different than the M1 Garand/M1 Carbine analogy.
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What has been mentioned. And I believe is the more likely situation is they are so invested in the 5:56 they keep the M4!for general issue and use the M7 (or whatever they change to down the road) for the longer range conflict area.

But other than average curiosity I have king been retired on the military side and about to be done 100% with deputy stuff so they don’t care what I think and I’m over giving a poop there gonna do whatever their gonna do! They will figure it out.
 
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