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The product of a savage subculture

While this crime appears to be extreme, and it is. There are folks out there sawing heads off of live human beings and broadcasting it on video. Never underestimate the level of evil that exist in today's world. There is a solution and it is not prayer. I am a peaceful, compassionate person but there has to be on off ramp.
 
SL66 said:
While this crime appears to be extreme, and it is. There are folks out there sawing heads off of live human beings and broadcasting it on video. Never underestimate the level of evil that exist in today's world. There is a solution and it is not prayer. I am a peaceful, compassionate person but there has to be on off ramp.
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that's because, even though they ARE deranged, they still know, nothing will ever happen to them.

that's why so many times i have said..."shoot first, ask questions later"....i care so little for "thier rights", as such, they care NOT for others.

i am sick and tired or "considering thier constitutional rights over any of us sane people"

they know what they do, and laugh at us...

let's END the laughing, once and for all.

now, let all those that defend the insane people and "thier constitutional rights"...chime in...i'll only ignore what they say.
 
GPS said:
The death penalty is a much better option, I don’t want to pay for a monster’s room and board.
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I don't necessarily disagree but if they're on death row you're going to pay their room and board for an average of 19 Years anyway before they finally put them to death and that's IF they actually put them to death.

I just looked it up, one in six prisoners on death row are actually put to death.

Put them in something like supermax un till they die.

If they contract a fatal disease give them palliative care only.
 
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The Night Rider said:
I don't necessarily disagree but if they're on death row you're going to pay their room and board for an average of 19 Years anyway before they finally put them to death and that's IF they actually put them to death.

I just looked it up, one in six prisoners on death row are actually put to death.

Put them in something like supermax un till they die.

If they contract a fatal disease give them palliative care only.
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This is why for some crimes that there should not be any appeals, they would be simply walked to the gallows following a trial.
 
Onewolf426 said:
And if the left/democrats were really honest and serious about "gun violence", the first offense of committing a crime with a firearm would be automatic 20 years in prison, no parole, no "he can't be incarcerated or charged as an adult". You commit a violent adult crime, you pay the price as an adult.
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I have some issue with that.
Think of states that are already anti-gun.
A good guy defends himself, but the tyrannical DA presses charges anyway and a liberal judge/jury convicts.
That could and would happen
 
Onewolf426 said:
Not to defend him, but if I accidentally bump into someone, my first response is "I'm sorry about that, excuse me". Common courtesy and consideration go hand in hand. Of course, that is the way most of us were raised. Apparently, the "victim" and the thug weren't raised with those values. Typical cowardly thug pulls a gun when he is losing a fist fight. And if the left/democrats were really honest and serious about "gun violence", the first offense of committing a crime with a firearm would be automatic 20 years in prison, no parole, no "he can't be incarcerated or charged as an adult". You commit a violent adult crime, you pay the price as an adult.
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Emphasis by color above is mine ... "Of course, that is the way most of us were raised. Apparently, the "victim" and the thug weren't raised with those values." and therein is the unfortunate fallacy of minimum sentencing. So many young people today look at prison as a status symbol and some have actually intentionally worked that game to become a martyr among their gangs and crowds. And others have such low respect for themselves and others they simply don't care about any penalties. We, society in general have allowed this mindset to take place in so many instances and cultures, it's almost a losing battle any way we cut it today. In a word, society in an effort to be nice to the less fortunate have created an almost unstoppable legion of criminals, and especially violent ones. And then there's the topic of something similar to this: If they do the crime, make them do the time as relative to minimum/mandatory sentencing. For example if all 1st degree murders called for the death penalty ... No Exceptions. Well if the perpetrator is a 28 year old with a book as long as his arm, then OK, we can do that. But what do we do with a 6,7,8 or 9 year old who commits the very same crime? With minimum sentencing, do we/can we as a civilized society put the 6 year old to death as well? Be assured I'm not hammering at you or your points, only that since we are supposedly a 'civilized' society it's just not feasible to sentence a 6-9 year old to death, when he typically doesn't even fully understand the concept of 'death', no matter how heinous his crime might be. Trust me, I'm as much a supporter of the idea of "do the crime-do the time" as anyone. I'm simply trying to point out how difficult it would actually be to set minimum and/or mandatory sentencing. Prison is supposedly based on 5 points IE: Punishment, Deterrence, Rehabilitation, Public Safety, Restoration of Order.
Now some of these are for punishment of the offender, some for benefit of society, some are for a combination of reasons. Note too, these are by no means the only reasons for sentences and penalties, but typically the most often discussed. We all know the meaning of 'Punishment'. 'Deterrence' only works where there is a conscience and some amount of character has been taught to and learned by the potential offender. 'Rehabilitation' is relative only to those who accept the reality of their crime. 'Public Safety and Restoration of Order' is the hoped for outcome of the penalty. There has to be a way, I just don't think we've quite come up with the answer yet. jj
 
jumpinjoe said:
Emphasis by color above is mine ... "Of course, that is the way most of us were raised. Apparently, the "victim" and the thug weren't raised with those values." and therein is the unfortunate fallacy of minimum sentencing. So many young people today look at prison as a status symbol and some have actually intentionally worked that game to become a martyr among their gangs and crowds. And others have such low respect for themselves and others they simply don't care about any penalties. We, society in general have allowed this mindset to take place in so many instances and cultures, it's almost a losing battle any way we cut it today. In a word, society in an effort to be nice to the less fortunate have created an almost unstoppable legion of criminals, and especially violent ones. And then there's the topic of something similar to this: If they do the crime, make them do the time as relative to minimum/mandatory sentencing. For example if all 1st degree murders called for the death penalty ... No Exceptions. Well if the perpetrator is a 28 year old with a book as long as his arm, then OK, we can do that. But what do we do with a 6,7,8 or 9 year old who commits the very same crime? With minimum sentencing, do we/can we as a civilized society put the 6 year old to death as well? Be assured I'm not hammering at you or your points, only that since we are supposedly a 'civilized' society it's just not feasible to sentence a 6-9 year old to death, when he typically doesn't even fully understand the concept of 'death', no matter how heinous his crime might be. Trust me, I'm as much a supporter of the idea of "do the crime-do the time" as anyone. I'm simply trying to point out how difficult it would actually be to set minimum and/or mandatory sentencing. Prison is supposedly based on 5 points IE: Punishment, Deterrence, Rehabilitation, Public Safety, Restoration of Order.
Now some of these are for punishment of the offender, some for benefit of society, some are for a combination of reasons. Note too, these are by no means the only reasons for sentences and penalties, but typically the most often discussed. We all know the meaning of 'Punishment'. 'Deterrence' only works where there is a conscience and some amount of character has been taught to and learned by the potential offender. 'Rehabilitation' is relative only to those who accept the reality of their crime. 'Public Safety and Restoration of Order' is the hoped for outcome of the penalty. There has to be a way, I just don't think we've quite come up with the answer yet. jj
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I have worked in parole for 6 years now and with the low income community for about 15

Here's a take I have, relevant to what you are saying

There is a subsection of our country that are raised to believe that the system are out to get them, cops are bad, and they don't have to follow the laws becuase they are of the prejudiced system.
They don't have the same societal values. They don't have the nuclear family structure and no general sense of right or wrong.

When someone like this commits their first crime, say age 15 to early 20s, and they are met with a police officer who is a a**hole on a power trip, they go in front of a judge who throws the book at them, and then they go to a prion where the CO's treat them like animals and they have to act like criminals to survive each other, you only reinforce these beliefs. They come out hating society more than when they went in

I have also seen people given every opportunity to better themselves. I have seen them get free education and job training opportunities. They are given counselling to work through issues. But they still choose to remain criminals.

I don't know what the answer is.

Probably some type of tiered, 3 strikes system.

First crime, unless particularly violent or heinous, a sentence geared towards rehabilitations.
Second crime, much tougher sentence, possibly to keep them long enough to in until they get old enough to just age out of the life.
Third, life, sentence. I like the 3 strike's rule
I did a paper on it while I was getting my degree.
 
PAGunGuy said:
I have worked in parole for 6 years now and with the low income community for about 15

Here's a take I have, relevant to what you are saying

There is a subsection of our country that are raised to believe that the system are out to get them, cops are bad, and they don't have to follow the laws becuase they are of the prejudiced system.
They don't have the same societal values. They don't have the nuclear family structure and no general sense of right or wrong.

When someone like this commits their first crime, say age 15 to early 20s, and they are met with a police officer who is a a**hole on a power trip, they go in front of a judge who throws the book at them, and then they go to a prion where the CO's treat them like animals and they have to act like criminals to survive each other, you only reinforce these beliefs. They come out hating society more than when they went in

I have also seen people given every opportunity to better themselves. I have seen them get free education and job training opportunities. They are given counselling to work through issues. But they still choose to remain criminals.

I don't know what the answer is.

Probably some type of tiered, 3 strikes system.

First crime, unless particularly violent or heinous, a sentence geared towards rehabilitations.
Second crime, much tougher sentence, possibly to keep them long enough to in until they get old enough to just age out of the life.
Third, life, sentence. I like the 3 strike's rule
I did a paper on it while I was getting my degree.
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God bless you your work. The frustration must be epic. But you just can't fix evil any more than you can tame a rattlesnake. All you can do is lock them away where they can't hurt anyone. Or kill them. I have encountered savages on the job where I thought, the world would be a safer place without them, but thank God we don't operate that way in America.
 
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