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Florida college student had AR-15 under bed on campus

Old_Me said:
then he knows full damned well, guns are NOT allowed on any school grounds.
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You can't know that. You certainly can't know that about every private college in the United States.

When I moved to Colorado concealed carry on a college campus was absolutely legal.

Liberty University in Grove City Pennsylvania currently permits concealed carry permit holders to carry on campus.

Hillsdale College permits firearms on campus except where prohibited by state law.

And those are just the two that I bothered to look up.

Old_Me said:
and please tell me, what night club NEEDS an AR armed guard...??
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Right off the top of my head, I'm going to say the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando and Club Q in Colorado Springs.
 
mikep said:
HEY! I’m from NJ!!! 🤣
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And in tonight’s top News story
NO ONE IS SURPRISED.
 
Setting the story itself aside, I'm curious as to how a dorm room, even being on a campus where firearms are banned, compares to any other rented residence.

A landlord cannot preclude you from possessing a legal firearm, nor can they infringe upon your right to privacy. It is quite possible the 2nd and 4th Amendments are as applicable to a campus dorm room as they are to any other dwelling regardless of what the campus rules might be.

This is an interesting legal conundrum and I curious to see where it goes in the courts.
 
Play stupid games win stupid prizes🙄. Let’s see, go somewhere where firearms are prohibited and bring a gun, order ammo delivered to said site, store said firearm in a where where it’s available to at least three other individuals (who may or may not (1) know about firearms (2) may or may not be legally allowed to own firearms (3) may or may not have sketchy connections/affliations What could possibly go wrong?
 
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Model 457 said:
Setting the story itself aside, I'm curious as to how a dorm room, even being on a campus where firearms are banned, compares to any other rented residence.

A landlord cannot preclude you from possessing a legal firearm, nor can they infringe upon your right to privacy. It is quite possible the 2nd and 4th Amendments are as applicable to a campus dorm room as they are to any other dwelling regardless of what the campus rules might be.

This is an interesting legal conundrum and I curious to see where it goes in the courts.
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i say, like any other school or educational institution, they should not be there. it can enable someone to steal it, or "borrow it" to commit a crime, then return it, and maybe put the owner at risk of being charged with that crime..??

best to leave it at home. given too, that parties happen more often than not, happen weekly at colleges, it also can lead someone grabbing it, showing off and pulling the trigger.

again, leave it at HOME



College students generally cannot have guns in dorms or on campus, as most universities nationwide prohibit them, but it heavily depends on state law and specific university policy, with some states forcing public colleges to allow concealed carry for permit holders, while others ban it outright or let schools decide, creating a patchwork of rules. Many schools that allow guns restrict them to certain areas (not classrooms) or require storage at campus police, and violating these rules leads to serious discipline, even if state law permits carry.
Key Factors:
  • State Law: Laws vary significantly; some states mandate campus carry (e.g., Texas, Georgia), while others ban it (e.g., California, New York).
  • University Policy: Even in states allowing guns, individual universities can set stricter rules, often prohibiting firearms in dorms or requiring off-site storage.
  • Type of Carry: Policies often distinguish between concealed carry and open carry, or restrict access to specific buildings like dorms, classrooms, or event centers.
 
Old_Me said:
i say, like any other school or educational institution, they should not be there. it can enable someone to steal it, or "borrow it" to commit a crime, then return it, and maybe put the owner at risk of being charged with that crime..??

best to leave it at home. given too, that parties happen more often than not, happen weekly at colleges, it also can lead someone grabbing it, showing off and pulling the trigger.

again, leave it at HOME



College students generally cannot have guns in dorms or on campus, as most universities nationwide prohibit them, but it heavily depends on state law and specific university policy, with some states forcing public colleges to allow concealed carry for permit holders, while others ban it outright or let schools decide, creating a patchwork of rules. Many schools that allow guns restrict them to certain areas (not classrooms) or require storage at campus police, and violating these rules leads to serious discipline, even if state law permits carry.
Key Factors:
  • State Law: Laws vary significantly; some states mandate campus carry (e.g., Texas, Georgia), while others ban it (e.g., California, New York).
  • University Policy: Even in states allowing guns, individual universities can set stricter rules, often prohibiting firearms in dorms or requiring off-site storage.
  • Type of Carry: Policies often distinguish between concealed carry and open carry, or restrict access to specific buildings like dorms, classrooms, or event centers.
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All good information and I agree that the kid is an idiot. I believe the kid was up to no good and having been caught likely stopped unnecessary bloodshed.

However, my commentary began with "Setting the story itself aside"...... I'm more curious about the application of the 2nd and 4th Amendments as applicable to a residential dwelling on a college campus.

I attended three different colleges. My undergrad work was done at a college in Los Angeles. I carried a gun. My master's degree work was done on a campus in the San Diego area. I did not carry a gun. Law school was in the greater Los Angeles area. I again carried a gun.

Whether legal or illegal, carjacking was the latest craze when I attended college. My car was nicer than some but not as nice as others. I was a skinny white kid well versed in proper handling and use of a firearm. I decided I would not be an easy carjacking target.

The defining difference between my actions and those of the article's subject is that I was illegally carrying concealed on campus whereas the kid in the article had a firearm stashed under his bed in his dorm room; his dwelling, his residence.

Again, my curiosity lays with the 2nd and 4th Amendments as applied to a college dorm room. It is legally defined as a dwelling. So how will the courts weigh the campus "rules" not "laws" as applied to a dorm room?

Everything you cited specified carrying on campus, or campus "policy" while I'm looking more at possession of a legal firearm in a dwelling.
 
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