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New Sig XM7 6.8 gets bad reviews by Army Capt

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Shibadog said:
I also don’t understand the weight of modern military rifles-I mean Why? Does anybody who actually has to carry one (vs some clown sitting in a pentagon office) really think humping a 12 lb rifle is better than toting a 6lb one? There was a reason WW2 troops loved the M1 carbine.
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says some dude never been down range
 
negolien said:
I know plenty of Marines begged for an m14 over the 5.56 in the sandbox bro
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Same in the Nam…most wanted the return of the M-14, but were stuck with the unreliable M-16 and M-60. Personally I managed to find an M-2 carbine and loved it. Worked every time, but I had to trade stuff with the Army to get ammo. My go-to firearm is still a M-1 carbine.
 
negolien said:
I know plenty of Marines begged for an m14 over the 5.56 in the sandbox bro
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Agreed, my career Marine son was one of them, but They were not asking for more weight, they were asking for a more capable rifle. My whole point is the ground pounders carry a ton of gear. Why not lighten their loads where you can? Instead we keep making heavier rifles.
 
Shibadog said:
Agreed, my career Marine son was one of them, but They were not asking for more weight, they were asking for a more capable rifle. My whole point is the ground pounders carry a ton of gear. Why not lighten their loads where you can? Instead we keep making heavier rifles.
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I think the new round is trying to address that. Lethality and reliability is what matters to those down range. 5.56 is great if using a shorty in cqb to a point though drugged up bad guys made even shorties come up lacking. Combat arms requires hard hitting weapons a nd they are more desirable for the most part. They don't care about the extra weight if it means saving their lives. You think a ww 2 infantry soldier on the line begged for an m1 carbine or a bar?
 
negolien said:
I think the new round is trying to address that. Lethality and reliability is what matters to those down range. 5.56 is great if using a shorty in cqb to a point though drugged up bad guys made even shorties come up lacking. Combat arms requires hard hitting weapons a nd they are more desirable for the most part. They don't care about the extra weight if it means saving their lives. You think a ww 2 infantry soldier on the line begged for an m1 carbine or a bar?
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I really hope the military gets their act together on a more powerful round. The 5.56 leaves a fair bit to be desired. The average troop would like a 5 lb rifle that recoils like a .22 and hits like a .50 big, but until the laws of physics get repealed that’s not gonna happen😏
 
Lab4Us said:
Thought this might interest some here…

www.wearethemighty.com

The infantry hates the XM7 rifle (and why the Army doesn't care)

An Army infantry vet on the problems grunts have with the Army's XM7 rifle—and why what's wrong with it might be addressed by what's right.
www.wearethemighty.com www.wearethemighty.com
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Reading that article, one thing comes to mind. US army is going back to the days of the Garand, M14 or FAL per say. Larger caliber and heavier weight round amd rifle. FAL trumping around is what I see.
 
KillerFord1977 said:
Reading that article, one thing comes to mind. US army is going back to the days of the Garand, M14 or FAL per say. Larger caliber and heavier weight round amd rifle. FAL trumping around is what I see.
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I understand it but I think they are gonna be fighting the last war if you know what I mean. Afghanistan really really showed the limits of the 5.56. I think that drove this plus a lot of bad guys were hopped up on drugs in both theaters and the 5.56 just didn't have the stopping power. I wish they would used a more common round I think that's gonna be a mistake. Plenty of ballistic data and partners for the .308. This new rounds gonna be a unicorn. I also think the suppressors are gonna be an Achilles heal.
 
KillerFord1977 said:
Reading that article, one thing comes to mind. US army is going back to the days of the Garand, M14 or FAL per say. Larger caliber and heavier weight round amd rifle. FAL trumping around is what I see.
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Troopers have always loaded up with extra mags in an active areas.

Four extra mags gives you 220 rds. It's real each just 2 extra 2-mag pouches. If someone can't handle that they should do some more push-ups, or join the Girl Scouts.

The belt-fed M250 is for suppressive fire.

The issue with the M7 will be the fancy computer-controlled optic. They need to keep things simpler & cheaper.
 
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