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Ayoob: Will Carrying a 10mm Hang You in Court?

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Hey Ayoob, you dropped this:
 
ECS686 said:
I didn’t catch it in this article but I believe another issue was there was a huge discrepancy on whem the incident happened to time or reporting.

As far as the Sig’s this also is a great case as to why the use of OC/pepper spray as most states a warning shot IS Deadly Force!
I am sure the Sig’s owners wasnIN a temper train and would have still some what he did but when you start out less lethal (ie no warning shots) your not hurting your case
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His 'warning' shot was a legitimate self defense act that pushed the two large dogs to cease their charge - which appeared to be an initial step in a potentially lethal attack. Ayoob made no mention of defensive sprays to deter two large dogs, nor later the dog's large, hyper aggressive master. Perhaps shouting "NO, STAY AWAY" at the charging dogs would be a verbal warning to the attacking owner as well.
 
Career woodsman said:
His 'warning' shot was a legitimate self defense act that pushed the two large dogs to cease their charge - which appeared to be an initial step in a potentially lethal attack. Ayoob made no mention of defensive sprays to deter two large dogs, nor later the dog's large, hyper aggressive master. Perhaps shouting "NO, STAY AWAY" at the charging dogs would be a verbal warning to the attacking owner as well.
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A warning shot is either a miss or not self defense. If you fear for your life, a warning does not give any such indication of that existential fear.
 
When I was a cop I received a jury summons a couple times. I was always willing to listen and decide fairly. Im a firm believer that justice is a process, not a result. That being said whenever I charged someone I was convinced they were guilty.

Regarding I dont like any of the "self defense insurance" plans. They all tell you not to talk until the attorney gets there. Thats a huge mistake. You have to convince the responding officers that you were the VICTIM and the other guy was the SUSPECT. You cant just say "I was afraid". You have to explain and articulate the facts so there no doubt. No Officer or Detective will WAIT for your lawyer. The report will be written and once you are listed as a Suspect or even Victim/Suspect, Baby Jesus coming from Heaven wont change that and youre listed as a bad guy. Waiting for your lawyer may mean the Police dont look for or find evidence confirming your position. Tell the Police what happened, when it happened, and why you had to react like you did. Make them believe...
 
The sad fact IS that liberal prosecutors, incompetent counsel, and liberal justices can violate the rights of any citizen.
THAT is why we need a Federal law that protects citizens who intervene in stopping a violent felony from civil and criminal prosecution regardless of what they do until law enforcement arrives.
 
I have an XDM elite in 10mm which I mainly use at the range. My edc is a SF Garrison 45acp. It was an interesting read about the 10mm for self defense and I personally feel that most jurors don’t know about handguns and deadly force. I have carried a handgun for 45 years and never had to use it, but it’s there if I should ever need it. I also believe that anyone that carries a handgun doesn’t leave the house saying I hope I get to shoot someone today. We all know that carrying takes on a lot of responsibility and knowing the legal system if we ever have to use it.
 
usnret30 said:
An improper lawyer, defined as one who thinks lot's of training makes you a gun nut, is more conducive to being hung out to dry in a courtroom than is the caliber weapon you are carrying. If you are are charged you need more than a public defender or a lawyer who may be your friend. Your lawyer needs to be carefully selected based on their demonstrated trial record... IMHO, it is more important again than your caliber choice.
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To much training I can see been brought up in this case.
 
Jsimon78 said:
To much training I can see been brought up in this case.
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I think its a coin flip, thats why you need a good attorney AND good subject matter witnesses, who can testify for you and make the other side look foolish. For example if I had been called during the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, I would have asked the judge to tell the prosecutor to stop waving the rifle at everyone unless he was willing to have it waved at him.
 
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