Career woodsman
Alpha
I didn't mention above that the Imperial Army killed well over 250,000 people in Nanking. The Chinese historians argue the toll was closer to 350,000. War is Hell.
Was the Atomic Bombing of Japan Necessary?
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Career woodsman
Alpha
"The 'bomb' was the answer to end the war ... and should never be used in my opinion to start one. Those touting use of the bomb against Iran, in my opinion are imbeciles ..."
You nailed this one.
Valkyrie14
Operator
"As one to me are shame and fame, as one to me are praise or blame"... - Buddhist Pali Canon (rough rendition) Japanese Buddhism is moderated by Shinto, a kind of state religion- loyalty and duty to family, clan, emperor.
They were definitely fighting the right enemy, there were just multiple enemies and FDR was a fellow traveler and gave one enemy equipment to fight another enemy.
Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) "I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I the LORD do all these things". Right there, the Bible says that The Almighty does indeed "create evil". The text can be argued, but the fact is that NO- THING exists outside the Divine Will.
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So you’re destined to do what ever your destined to do and your choices mean absolutely nothing, got it… loon… helping those who help themselves?
"As one to me are shame and fame, as one to me are praise or blame"... - Buddhist Pali Canon (rough rendition). Japanese Buddhism is moderated by Shinto, a kind of state religion- loyalty and duty to family, clan, emperor, and by "bushido", the unwritten military/samurai code of chivalrous behavior, the “Way of the Warrior”.
I quote from the Bible where the author of Isaiah says that GOD creates evil- and that makes me a determinist whose personal choices are meaningless- and a "LOON"
? LOL! Personally I don't see how you pulled that from what I said and it certainly isnt what I believe... Did you actually read the text I quoted?
CCJ
Elite
Just to be clear...
Communism is a cancer and cares little for life (i.e., Marxism... the masses are just a resource.
"The democratic concept of man is false, because it is Christian. The democratic concept holds that . . . each man is a sovereign being. This is the illusion, dream, and postulate of Christianity.", Karl Marx
He further reduces an individual to nothing more that a resource for the state, "And the abolition of this state of things is called by the bourgeois, [the] abolition of individuality and freedom! And rightly so...".)
The communist purges were about keeping power, controlling speech, setting terror in the hearts of the masses. Rummel estimated that a total of 272 million people were killed by all governments during the 20th century, of which 148 million were killed by Communist governments.
*Note that Rummel stated that his 272 million death estimate was his lower estimate, stating that it "could be over 400,000,000." Graph below is 1900-1987...
Certainly the killing did not stop in 1987.
"But communism does not stand alone in such mass murder. We do have the example of Nazi Germany, which may have itself murdered some 20,000,000 Jews, Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Yugoslaves, Frenchmen, and other nationalities. Then there is the Nationalist government of China under Chiang Kai-shek, which murdered near 10,000,000 Chinese from 1928 to 1949, and the Japanese militarists who murdered almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Indochinese, Koreans, Filipinos, and others during world War II. And then we have the 1,000,000 or more Bengalis and Hindus killed in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) in 1971 by the Pakistan military. Nor should we forget the mass expulsion of ethnic Germans and German citizens from Eastern Europe at the end of World War II, particularly by the Polish government as it seized the German Eastern Territories, killing perhaps over 1,000,000 of them. Nor should we ignore the 1,000,000 plus deaths in Mexico from 1900 to 1920, many of these poor Indians and peasants being killed by forced labor on barbaric haciendas. And one could go on and on to detail various kinds of noncommunist democide. ", R.J. Rummel,
R.J. Rummel, was an American political scientist, a statistician and professor at Indiana University, Yale University, and University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa. Spent his whole career studying mass killing by governments.
As an aside…I was the Provost Marshal at Camp Robert’s fron 1986-1993. Best posting I ever had.
KillerFord1977
Emissary
The world detonated over 2,000 test bombs already since the dawn of the bomb. 8 countries have tested the bomb.
As some have said we are “imbicilles” makes them no more an imbicille than I.
Difference of opinion.
Since over 2,000 have been detonated already, I say the use of more against those who call for the open destruction of our country may be warranted. My opinion. You feel otherwise. Their are cultures in the world that call for the open elimination of Christianity and other cultures off the earth. They have for thousands of years.
I’ll leave it at that.
Why I’m President Curmudgeon.
“Since the first nuclear test explosion on July 16, 1945, at least eight nations have detonated over 2,000 nuclear tests at dozens of test sites around the globe, including Lop Nor in China, the atolls of the Pacific, Nevada, and Algeria where France conducted its first nuclear device, Western Australia where the U.K. exploded nuclear weapons, the South Atlantic, Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan, across Russia, and elsewhere.”
As some have said we are “imbicilles” makes them no more an imbicille than I.
Difference of opinion.
Since over 2,000 have been detonated already, I say the use of more against those who call for the open destruction of our country may be warranted. My opinion. You feel otherwise. Their are cultures in the world that call for the open elimination of Christianity and other cultures off the earth. They have for thousands of years.
I’ll leave it at that.
Why I’m President Curmudgeon.
“Since the first nuclear test explosion on July 16, 1945, at least eight nations have detonated over 2,000 nuclear tests at dozens of test sites around the globe, including Lop Nor in China, the atolls of the Pacific, Nevada, and Algeria where France conducted its first nuclear device, Western Australia where the U.K. exploded nuclear weapons, the South Atlantic, Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan, across Russia, and elsewhere.”
HayesGreener
Ronin
Some wise person once said, we don't know how WWIII will be fought, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones. We can't have crazies in control of nukes
KillerFord1977
Emissary
I’m not that crazy
Just one tiny little low yield. Itsy bitsy…. Like test bomb size…. Please…
My take on it is that if Iran made a bomb, they would use it. In a way to say they didn’t, to be sure. A bomb on a ship smuggled into the NY harbor, along with several other harbors would devastate this country, and depending on whom was President, might not even be retaliated against.
There is a part of the bible that states that humans were given free will, your interpretation of that indicates that we do not have free will.I quote from the Bible where the author of Isaiah says that GOD creates evil- and that makes me a determinist whose personal choices are meaningless- and a "LOON"
Ecclesiasticus 15:14–17 makes that pretty clear, therefore it isn’t divine will, but personal choice and free will.
CCJ
Elite
I would concur. God created Lucifer as he did all the host of heaven. Lucifer (his actual name is never mentioned in the bible) rebelled against God and he was cast out. It seems even the angels have free-will, agency to choose and they are not free from temptation or desires. Hence, God crated evil. Eve was tempted by Lucifer, Jesus himself was tempted by Lucifer. By Free will they made their choices, as it is with all of us.
There is one other source of evil which the bible calls the "Natural man"... those thing that man desires in his heart that are contrary to the teaching of God. Jesus came as a living testament, an example of earthly expectation, and it is "as it is done in heaven".
I am in no means per-destined. I have to choose everyday the path I walk. Among other things, earthly life is a crucible to temper, strengthen, and subdue the "natural man", and stand in the face of Lucifer's temptations. These thing are not because God is a dictator. The things God asks of us, they are for us. He understands that evils weighs the soul down, spawn misery, hatred, jealousies, and anger. As we shed the natural man, we find joy, happiness, and peace.
Hello all, here is today's article posted on TheArmoryLife.com. It is titled “Was the Atomic Bombing of Japan Necessary?” and can be found at https://www.thearmorylife.com/was-the-atomic-bombing-of-japan-necessary/.
Was the bombing necessary? Yes, my dad drove a higgens landing craft in the Pacific. They were training to invade the Japanese mainland. Most likely I and many others wouldn't be here if they were killed. Ironically, when I was wounded in Vietnam 26 years later I was sent to a hospital in Yokohama. I had 3 limbs amputated and the fourth wasn't healed enough for me to use it. AJapanese female volunteer, who spoke no english, fed me until I recovered enough to feed myself. I am very grateful to her.Hello all, here is today's article posted on TheArmoryLife.com. It is titled “Was the Atomic Bombing of Japan Necessary?” and can be found at https://www.thearmorylife.com/was-the-atomic-bombing-of-japan-necessary/.
Remember always that this was a total war. Did the A bomb kill a bunch of folks? You bet. But the 1000 plane raid on Tokyo, the huge attack on Cologne ALSO took out huge numbers of folks-in the case ok Tokyo esp more than the initial A bombs did. Granted it took a LOT or aircraft and a whole lot of bombs to do it, but if you were under them it didn’t make a whole lot of difference to you- except perhaps the A bomb killed you a bit quicker