Thumbhole stock… Pistol grip?

[mikep]

Are thumbhole stocks considered a “pistol grip”? Seems to be a gray area. What are your thoughts?

 

[Belt Fed]

Not supposed to be labeled as one, long as there is no separation between the stock and grip and can't take the grip off without the stock coming off.

 

[3L120]

Not a legal term, but I like a thumb hole for prone, but it cants my wrist in a bad direction on offhand.

 

[Jester560]

Not supposed to be labeled as one, long as there is no separation between the stock and grip and can't take the grip off without the stock coming off.

This^^^^

 

[PieterCoetzee]

Id suggest it depends on WHERE you are. The PG thing is so silly, places that ban them come up with silly definitions.

There was a state senator in Maryland that wanted to ban the "hangie down" things on rifles and while speaking to the assembly he had the magazine in backwards...

I|F they ever actually take the time to learn about weapons we're Fd

 

[Blackfeather]

Id suggest it depends on WHERE you are. The PG thing is so silly, places that ban them come up with silly definitions.

There was a state senator in Maryland that wanted to ban the "hangie down" things on rifles and while speaking to the assembly he had the magazine in backwards...

I|F they ever actually take the time to learn about weapons we're Fd

 

[Blackfeather]

The thumbhole stock was a way to comply with stupid ever changing rules back then... the best thumbhole stock I have ever used was on the Daewoo DR-200 - very comfortable.

 

[BassCliff]

Hi,

Are thumbhole stocks considered a “pistol grip”? Seems to be a gray area. What are your thoughts?

Thumbhole stocks are not pistol grips but are specifically named in CA as illegal...

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California Penal Code section 12276.1 provides a list of weapon types and features that are illegal. The list includes:

Semiautomatic, centerfire rifles with a detachable magazine —Which have a pistol grip protruding conspicuously beneath the weapon’s action, a thumbhole stock, a folding or telescopic stock, a grenade or flare launcher, a forward pistol grip

Semiautomatic pistols accepting a detachable magazine — With a threaded barrel, a flash suppressor, a forward or second handgrip, a shroud that allows the shooter to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, a detachable a magazine that attaches anywhere besides the pistol grip

Semiautomatic, centerfire rifles with fixed magazine accepting more than 10 rounds

Semiautomatic, centerfire rifles shorter than 30 inches (762 mm)

Semiautomatic pistols with fixed magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds

Semiautomatic shotguns — With both a folding or telescopic stock and a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip; or the ability to accept a detachable magazine

Shotguns with revolving cylinders

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Check your local listings.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

 

[PieterCoetzee]

Hi,



Thumbhole stocks are not pistol grips but are specifically named in CA as illegal...

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California Penal Code section 12276.1 provides a list of weapon types and features that are illegal. The list includes:

Semiautomatic, centerfire rifles with a detachable magazine —Which have a pistol grip protruding conspicuously beneath the weapon’s action, a thumbhole stock, a folding or telescopic stock, a grenade or flare launcher, a forward pistol grip

Semiautomatic pistols accepting a detachable magazine — With a threaded barrel, a flash suppressor, a forward or second handgrip, a shroud that allows the shooter to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, a detachable a magazine that attaches anywhere besides the pistol grip

Semiautomatic, centerfire rifles with fixed magazine accepting more than 10 rounds

Semiautomatic, centerfire rifles shorter than 30 inches (762 mm)

Semiautomatic pistols with fixed magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds

Semiautomatic shotguns — With both a folding or telescopic stock and a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip; or the ability to accept a detachable magazine

Shotguns with revolving cylinders

**********************

Check your local listings.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

WOW!

 

[mikep]

Hi,



Thumbhole stocks are not pistol grips but are specifically named in CA as illegal...

*********************
California Penal Code section 12276.1 provides a list of weapon types and features that are illegal. The list includes:

Semiautomatic, centerfire rifles with a detachable magazine —Which have a pistol grip protruding conspicuously beneath the weapon’s action, a thumbhole stock, a folding or telescopic stock, a grenade or flare launcher, a forward pistol grip

Semiautomatic pistols accepting a detachable magazine — With a threaded barrel, a flash suppressor, a forward or second handgrip, a shroud that allows the shooter to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, a detachable a magazine that attaches anywhere besides the pistol grip

Semiautomatic, centerfire rifles with fixed magazine accepting more than 10 rounds

Semiautomatic, centerfire rifles shorter than 30 inches (762 mm)

Semiautomatic pistols with fixed magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds

Semiautomatic shotguns — With both a folding or telescopic stock and a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip; or the ability to accept a detachable magazine

Shotguns with revolving cylinders

**********************

Check your local listings.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

@BassCliff NJ has similar wording to that for defining and “assault weapon” but thumbhole stocks are not specifically mentioned. You never know in this state.
I am building a “steel challenge” style rifle that will utilized a thumbhole stock, which would be no problem. However, I’m also using a threaded barrel (evil feature ) that would make the rifle an “assault weapon” in NJ if paired with a pistol grip. Stupid. Threaded barrels are fine on traditional stocks.
Ugh…

 

[Biggfoot44]

Are thumbhole stocks considered a “pistol grip”? Seems to be a gray area. What are your thoughts?

In actuality , no .

In certain states AWB statutes , yes .

 

[BassCliff]

Hi,

@BassCliff NJ has similar wording to that for defining and “assault weapon” but thumbhole stocks are not specifically mentioned. You never know in this state.
I am building a “steel challenge” style rifle that will utilized a thumbhole stock, which would be no problem. However, I’m also using a threaded barrel (evil feature ) that would make the rifle an “assault weapon” in NJ if paired with a pistol grip. Stupid. Threaded barrels are fine on traditional stocks.
Ugh…

For some reason I thought you were in CA. Oops.

I could find no mention of "thumbhole stock" in the NJ penal code. But I did find a few posts on other forums that basically said they were not illegal because it's not a pistol grip. One post even mentioned a few rifle models with thumbhole stocks that were legal in NJ.

Are thumbhole stocks considered a pistol grip in NJ? > New Jersey > AR15.COM

What's the concensus about this type of stock and the legality on the AR15 platform?Does the stock constitute as a pistol grip?

www.ar15.com

I'm no expert, just a guy looking for answers. Please seek counsel from an expert in your area. Good luck.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff