Biggfoot44
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Maybe l'm a statistical freak as to my circle of experience . But l have noticed a corelation between " street interactions with guns" , and Handgun Hunters .
Gun Games are not STREET training
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Maybe l'm a statistical freak as to my circle of experience . But l have noticed a corelation between " street interactions with guns" , and Handgun Hunters .
PieterCoetzee
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Interesting can you elaborate?
LoneGunman
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You certainly are opinionated and I don't think you actually shoot because quite a lot of your rant really doesn't make sense - not in the least.
I have now let my OCD run wild and will address each and every point in bold print.
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Let me start by saying I have no issue with Gun Games; but I put them in the same realm as Pickle Ball and Miniature Gulf. If you enjoy them, then have fun, maybe youll even beat the Windmill and get the ball in the clowns nose. Yippee.
----You open with scornful statement. Sounds like you have a hell of a chip on your shoulder.
Seriously have fun but dont delude yourself into thinking you are training for a real life gun fight.
----Au contraire, mon frère. Draw, split, and reload times are very important in a real gunfight, so is transitioning to a new target.
Gunfights arent scripted.
----You sound really angry. Are you ok?
You dont get to walk around wearing competition holsters and mag pouches made for speed loads.
----You're not our dad, you don't get to tell us what to wear. I'll EDC carry whatever I please. I'll conceal carry a blunderbuss if I want. (She asked me, "is that a blunderbuss in your pants, or are you happy to see me?" "Yes to both.")
Chances are you wont be open carrying or wearing spandex (well maybe the spandex???)
----I'm pretty sure no one here open carries. What are you suggesting with the spandex comment -- exactly.
Yes gun games value speed; but maybe at too high a cost.
----This doesn't make sense.
In a REAL world gunfight, youll be moving but you probably wont be sprinting through the whole fight.
----You make a lot of assumptions with obviously no real knowledge. I suspect you are only here to harrass and try to demoralize gun peeps. I'll let you in on a little hint -- you're not going to have much success.
Theres no bonus points for finishing FIRST, only for finishing.
----Exceptionally poorly thought out statement. If I'm quicker on target and break my shot first, I win. My bonus is I get to go home, I eat a steak, I feed the steak fat to my dogs, I get to eat ice cream and watch a movie, another bonus is, so do the people who were trapped. The bonus challenged person wins a stay in the forever box.
Yes gun games value accuracy; but again at what cost? HITS matter and Face shots end fights, True enough.
----You're just here to harangue people because pew-pews give you the butthurtz. Again this statement exposes that you have no idea what you are talking about. Your "argument" is nothing but a poorly assembled list of emotional appeals.
Gun Games breed POOR tactics.
----Ok as someone that says a lot of stupid stuff on the internet for laughs, that's really mindbogglingly stupid, worst part is that you're serious.
In Real life there are no walk throughs before a gunfight. There are no see through walls made out netting.
----Do you understand what a simulation or training means?
IF youre lucky you may know the neighborhood; but you wont know where the cars are parked and if someone left the hose unrolled or a bike on the lawn.
----Yes, yes I will. Because in order to properly and accurately operate a firearm, I must be able to see, have my eyes open, be able to focus, and actively searching for the target, while assessing safest route to confront, and navigate any obstacle which may be in the way.
Gun Games arent usually scheduled in the snow or pouring rain. REAL fights arent scheduled at all.
----You really like to employ the emotional appeal don't you.
Most importantly Gun Games dont have incoming rounds. Nobody tells you ahead of time how many rounds youll need or to save your empty/partial mags. Nobody says blow the dust off your red dot before the buzzer.
---- I'm really getting the feeling you either: really hate guns, really hate anyone that shoots, and or anyone better than you at shooting.
Gun Games don't teach you the value of slicing the pie on corners, because that takes time.
----You said this in the most awkward manner as possible. Not only do you not know what you are talking about, I fathom English is not your native tongue.
Gun Games dont teach you to be constantly aware of your surroundings,
----You need to know where to go for the next target, there are areas which you have to be in to fire the weapon, If you are not in that box completely you are disqualified. If you don't keep your firearm down range at all times, you are disqualified, and there is much more on the list, which you have to be aware of, which is obvious you know nothing about.
because that kid you thought was innocent might be creeping up behind you with bad intent.
----Are you saying you want to pew kids? I would suggest you see a mental health professional.
In the real world you wont be unloading after shooting stops like you do in a game.
----You don't live in reality. You have no idea.
MrMichaelActual
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What gun games are you playing bro, I am double tapping head shots all the time! Hell with this new laser sniper I think I can make a head shot at like 2 miles. I also enjoy the occasional Pickle Ball game... has zero to do with my shooting training or ability.
PieterCoetzee
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Hmmmm you start off by calling me opinionated then use the rest of your post to spout your opinions. IDK but that sounds an awful lot like something my mother said about a pot and a kettle???
Keep trying maybe the Pretty Girls will let you clean up their lunch trash
Oh and if youre new here, Welkom by die forum Hoop jy hou hiervan hier
LoneGunman
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mmmm you start off by calling me opinionated then use the rest of your post to spout your opinions.
---- Classic equalization-minimalization technique.
I am a vet. Been shot at* while in and before the military (no not a door kicker so I'm not saying I'm a Delta SEaL Ranger), and train to competition shoot. I speak from real world experience. That's where my "opinions" stem from. If you actually did any of the gun stuff you claim, you would know what I'm saying is generally to be true, therefore NOT an opinion because it's officially recorded (in meets that I do show up to), observable and repeatable.
IDK but that sounds an awful lot like something my mother said about a pot and a kettle???
----Ad hominem attacks seem to be another favorite go to for you. You do know people instantly know you've lost the argument when you've done that, right?
Keep trying maybe the Pretty Girls will let you clean up their lunch trash
----Ahh the absolute favorite of your type, the ad hominem rage bait: "you're a homosexual/incel for disagreeing with me."
You're not at all good at this, perhaps quit while you're behind.
Oh and if youre new here,
---- Irrelevant. This isn't some hoity-toity "high society" social club where being able to trace your lineage back to 1623 means something.
Welkom by die forum Hoop jy hou hiervan hier
----Looks like your brain melted. I declare victory.
Something I just noticed in reading Lone Gunman’s excellent reply:
The OP states there are no walk-throughs in a gunfight, yet promotes Simunitions training.
In Simunitions training, there is at the least a briefing before a scenario. Neither that or “gun games” simply turns you loose to start shooting.
I will only agree with the OP and others who disparage competition on one point. There are those who say it isn’t training. I will agree on that. It is not training. It is a way to practice what you’ve already trained.
Any competition, from USPSA and IDPA which I assume are the targets here, through even Precison Pistol (Bullseye) and Silhouette, provide some value in that respect. Silhouette taught me the great value of focusing on the front sight and what happens when I don’t. The run and gun games kept me sharp regarding gunhandling and manipulations among other things.
One can attend the run and gun games with a radical gun and dropped/offset holster and run through a course of fire exposing themselves to every target to get the best score. Or they can use their everyday carry, the way they carry it, use cover, and balance speed with shooting carefully. While the temptation may be there to shoot the first way, nothing makes you.
Each is exactly what you make of it.
The OP states there are no walk-throughs in a gunfight, yet promotes Simunitions training.
In Simunitions training, there is at the least a briefing before a scenario. Neither that or “gun games” simply turns you loose to start shooting.
I will only agree with the OP and others who disparage competition on one point. There are those who say it isn’t training. I will agree on that. It is not training. It is a way to practice what you’ve already trained.
Any competition, from USPSA and IDPA which I assume are the targets here, through even Precison Pistol (Bullseye) and Silhouette, provide some value in that respect. Silhouette taught me the great value of focusing on the front sight and what happens when I don’t. The run and gun games kept me sharp regarding gunhandling and manipulations among other things.
One can attend the run and gun games with a radical gun and dropped/offset holster and run through a course of fire exposing themselves to every target to get the best score. Or they can use their everyday carry, the way they carry it, use cover, and balance speed with shooting carefully. While the temptation may be there to shoot the first way, nothing makes you.
Each is exactly what you make of it.
LoneGunman
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If you take something away from your meet, you're learning. Hence training. Just my take.
For example:
If you're running consistent times but those times are not putting you in the top five finishers consistently, then you can use your competition to break down where you're falling short on.
Is the draw slow?
Are you hesitating on the first shot?
Do you have to mentally "confirm" your hit before moving onto the next one
What's your reload time.
Can you move onto the next target if you miss the previous one. Some people can't. In some events you can't - those are exceptions.
Yes A box is where you want to be, but an ex-Border Patrol agent worked out the time penalty math, a couple of C box hits doesn't really hurt you if your run time is good.
I'm constantly going over what works "better," or "feels better" which is maybe the reason why my times are all over the place. But I know instantly what is working and what is not. Heck, ammo ain't cheap, get everything you can get out of it.
MrMichaelActual
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PieterCoetzee
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Im a vet too with 30+ years in green and blue uniforms, all behind a badge. I too, have been shot at, stabbed and almost blown up. So while I respect you service, Id at least ask you to respect mine. That seems only reasonable.
If you cant see that you are spouting your opinions, just like you claim I did; then Id ask you to reassess. The difference is you agree with your opinions and disagree with like mine. Fine, live your life as you will; and I will live mine as I see fit. I have made it as clear as I can, that I see not only no value but actual negative influences to the gun games as real world training. Those who disagree with that sentiment, have not presented any cogent arguments to convince me otherwise.
No one, least of all me, called you a homosexual. Perhaps you dont understand the Pretty Girl reference, more importantly, I didnt call you a girl or even disparage you if you feel that way. What I do question, is that many who have singled me out in this thread (and others) have somehow managed to overlook much of what Ive said, either intentionally or by comprehension errors.
Im sure you believe your opinions are "generally correct" (your words); why else would you have them? You claim you train for competition, (again your words), where we disagree is I do not believe competition is the real world or that it good training for an actual gunfight. I have shown numerous differences; but of course you are free to believe otherwise.
You have questioned my writing style, which is fine, and you have suggested that English is not my primary language, which I actually appreciate, since English is my first language; but I thank my teachers for teaching my how to use it.
Here Ill help you: "Welcome to the forum hope you like it here". That was made in fellowship but Im not sure you understood it. So Ill say it again, Welcome. As to your victory well, I hope you get a trophy
Look I managed to type all that without resorting to using bold or name calling
Best
Pieter
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YAH! They even let Fudds like me play here.
LoneGunman
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LoneGunman
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Im a vet too with 30+ years in green and blue uniforms, all behind a badge. I too, have been shot at, stabbed and almost blown up.
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Doubt
So while I respect you service, Id at least ask you to respect mine.
----Going back through your posts, there is little respect coming from you. You constantly denigrate, demean, and make false equivalences/gaslight. That's hardly a history of you giving respect. You're a tyrant and a stupid one at that.
That seems only reasonable.
----Again "agree with me to be rational or reasonable." You should really see someone about your crippling narcissism.
If you cant see that you are spouting your opinions, just like you claim I did; then Id ask you to reassess.
----What I stated is literal fact and exposes you don't know what you are talking about.
The difference is you agree with your opinions and disagree with like mine.
----In general, all people are like that. People tend to like what they think. However, in a short few days more than a few here have agreed with me, and for the entire year, no one seems to like or agree with you. But, "everyone else is wrong," eh?
Fine, live your life as you will; and I will live mine as I see fit. I have made it as clear as I can, that I see not only no value but actual negative influences to the gun games as real world training.
----And there is it. "Me, I, I don't see,...
Those who disagree with that sentiment, have not presented any cogent arguments to convince me otherwise.
----It's a proven fact, and you like to reprove it, that you can't fix your kind of stupid.
No one, least of all me, called you a homosexual. Perhaps you dont understand the Pretty Girl reference, more importantly, I didnt call you a girl or even disparage you if you feel that way. What I do question, is that many who have singled me out in this thread (and others) have somehow managed to overlook much of what Ive said, either intentionally or by comprehension errors.
----"It's your fault I'm incomprehensible." You sound exactly like my ex. Sharron, what are you doing here?
Im sure you believe your opinions are "generally correct" (your words); why else would you have them? You claim you train for competition, (again your words), where we disagree is I do not believe competition is the real world or that it good training for an actual gunfight. I have shown numerous differences; but of course you are free to believe otherwise.
----That's the clumsiest attempt at back pedaling I've ever witnessed.
You have questioned my writing style, which is fine, and you have suggested that English is not my primary language, which I actually appreciate, since English is my first language; but I thank my teachers for teaching my how to use it.
----Your teachers failed you terribly, or you are severely retarded. I'm playing it safe and going to say, both.
Here Ill help you: "Welcome to the forum hope you like it here".
----Your gaslighting game needs some real work.
That was made in fellowship but Im not sure you understood it. So Ill say it again, Welcome.
----Your actions belie your words.
As to your victory well, I hope you get a trophy
----My "trophy" is others liking my roasting of you and you totally not getting it. But that's not your fault, your parents were short as well.
Look I managed to type all that without resorting to using bold
----I stated the reason why I was using bold face. And I didn't know a font selection was a crime. You make me want to protest.
NO BOLDFACE NO PEACE!!
NO BOLDFACE NO PEACE!!
NO BOLDFACE NO PEACE!!
NO BOLDFACE NO PEACE!!
See what I did there as well? I modified the font size as well. You better report me, that's at least 9000 gigatrillion-billion-googleplex internet demerits. I guess I'm in for it now. I am crestfallen.
or name calling
----Please point to where I called you a name and it hurt your feelings.
LoneGunman
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Preach!!
Belt Fed
SAINT
Well ok, here goes. Ford vs Chevy....neither, MJ has more class in his little finger than lebron has all over, 45 rules over 8, pinnapple on pizza is gay, There ya go. it's all settled.
Wirenut
Ronin
You forgot Ginger or Mary-Ann!!
PieterCoetzee
Professional
OK now you get to sit at the Pretty Girls table
Belt Fed
SAINT
Hey, i'd rather sit there and look at them that sit at the dudes table.
PieterCoetzee
Professional
Maybe theyll even let you throw their trash away and if youre really lucky hold their hair when they throw up...Hey, i'd rather sit there and look at them that sit at the dudes table.
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