Breaking News: Supreme Courts strikes down law banning habitual marijuana users from owning firearms

[MN300PRC]

we all use psychoactive drugs all the time like caffeine and even sugar. lots of people drink too much at night, too. who cares if someone smokes pot when they get home after the range or take their pistol off if they arent high at the range or while carrying?

 

[MN300PRC]

So are you saying we have to legalize it to study it? Isnt that like Pelosi saying first we have to pass the bill in order to read it?

My opinion of marijuana started long before my LEO career. I saw people who were high and didint want to be around them. That included drunks too. For what its worth I was the cop you wanted to come to your house ESPECIALLY when it came to 2A issues. Frankly Id like to see universal carry. Nothing about any gun control law will stop bad guys from being bad. Laws are just black ink on white paper that tell cops what to charge AFTER the shite is over. At best laws only stop people who are afraid of going to jail.

Psychedelics? WOW ok. You may have more info than me on that one but Im pretty sure theres NO/ZERO use/testing in the US. Nor do I know of any serious repeatable tests or testing parameters. Yes Ive "heard" something from someone who "heard" something from someone. Maybe psychedelics work, MAYBE but my experience is that counseling should at least be tried first and second and third before any drugs. Im just hard pressed to understand how a Hallucinogenic experience would resolve PTSD when counseling doesnt.

I would also add that I think commanders NEED to recognize it early in the field before it becomes a lasting problems. Ive lived through combat and PD incidents, Ive seen soldiers and cops after combat and critical incidents, that needed someone to listen and needed to talk but Ive never seen anyone that needed to get high, in fact just the opposite. You may have other experiences

its been studied.

Reviewing the Potential of Psychedelics for the Treatment of PTSD - PMC

There are few medications with demonstrated efficacy for the treatment of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Treatment guidelines have unequivocally designated psychotherapy as a first line treatment for PTSD. Yet, even after psychotherapy, PTSD ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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we gotta have open minds to new ideas.

 

[PieterCoetzee]

we gotta have open minds to new ideas.

I scanned the articles on psychedelics (Ill read them in detail later). For now I'll say Im open to possibilities but Im still concerned about how the negative effects like how drug induced paranoia could cause problems beyond the patient; but Im not a physician so ill wait to see

 

[PieterCoetzee]

....and maybe we've run this discussion as far is we can go. Perhaps its time to move to 10mm Lever guns or beltfedflamethrowinggrenadelaunchers...

 

[Lo-Profile]

Nope. The only reason I switched to a pipe from cigarettes is because coffin nails went to $1.00 a pack and pipe tobacco was cheaper. Ya I've been smoking a pipe a long time.

I quit in the 70's because I thought $10 a carton was too expensive .... Glad I did, think of all the guns I've bought with the savings

 

[bc22wm]

I quit in the 70's because I thought $10 a carton was too expensive .... Glad I did, think of all the guns I've bought with the savings

I'm weak.
Remember in the late 80's early 90's when the all-knowing Gov. decided to tell us that that nicotine was addictive? What do you suppose their first clue was?

 

[Lo-Profile]

I'm weak.
Remember in the late 80's early 90's when the all-knowing Gov. decided to tell us that that nicotine was addictive? What do you suppose their first clue was?

The weed eaters at the NIH weren't getting the pocket change anymore to keep it quiet.

 

[Pitdogg2]

The weed eaters at the NIH weren't getting the pocket change anymore to keep it quiet.

I'm sure it could've have the the scientist that worked for big tobacco taking research papers on their research into how to increase nicotine and nicotine absorption in the human body.
The papers also had shown that big tobacco had known this for decade while publicly stating the opposite.
I'm pretty sure there wasn't a movie about it also....

 

[PAGunGuy]

To be clear I don’t think an alcoholic should have access to firearms either but alcohol isn’t illegal. Alcoholics get arrested for things they do when drunk. Pot users get arrested for possession and for the things they do when high.

Some seem to suggest there should be no restrictions on who should have free access to firearms under ALL conditions. So I ask would that include the mentally ill? How’bout convicted felons. How’bout criminals while incarcerated? How’bout kids in school? Should the convicted rapist be returned the gun he used when out of prison? I don’t think the original authors of the constitution intended that but maybe you do?

You want/need to get high to get through life do it without a gun. That’s not anti 2A. That’s seeing the world with a head not clouded by intoxicating substances

I do think convicted felons should have gun rights after they have served thier sentence, inclduing any parole or probation. Not even, "resotred", just have them.
No process. Just boom, the minute you're done, you have your rights.
No courts, no lawyers, no paperwork, just automatic

 

[bc22wm]

I do think convicted felons should have gun rights after they have served thier sentence, inclduing any parole or probation. Not even, "resotred", just have them.
No process. Just boom, the minute you're done, you have your rights.
No courts, no lawyers, no paperwork, just automatic

They have served their time; they are once again free citizens with all rights just like the rest of us. If they can't be trusted with an inanimate object; maybe they can't be trusted to be free in society.

 

[PieterCoetzee]

I do think convicted felons should have gun rights after they have served thier sentence, inclduing any parole or probation. Not even, "resotred", just have them.
No process. Just boom, the minute you're done, you have your rights.
No courts, no lawyers, no paperwork, just automatic

Ive said much the same. Im not opposed to the concept; but I ask how does that apply to the truly violent ones that got light sentences because they made a deal or because they got a prosecutor that didnt want to push for a hard sentence? I also wonder if Id feel the same way if it was someone who had hurt my family?

Perhaps this theory should go hand in hand with sentencing reform

 

[Captain O]

I don't like legalized weed. Over time, it destroys one's cognitive abilities and lungs. Habitual weed smokers and cannabinoid users generally lose the ability to manage their lives.

I must disagree.

 

[Biggfoot44]

While this is definitely good for Hemani and may well help some people—§ 922(g)(3) is rarely charged as the Court noted—I wouldn’t bet on this decision being particularly useful for challenging anything other than situations where someone is charged with violating § 922(g)(3) for possessing a firearm while occasionally smoking pot. Don’t count this applying to other drugs since the Court referenced the fact that pot was changed from schedule I to schedule III this year.

Prosectution for & only for 922(g)(3) isn't the point ( or only the most minor aspect ) .

It's the existsance of 922(g)(3) to be used as an excuse to deny purchases , state licencing to purchase and / or posess , and carry permits .

 

[Biggfoot44]

or backward?

* Disclaimer - l don't , and don't have intention to smoke the evil weed *

Yes , it is step forewards to put weed on parity with alcohol .

( Alcohol ) Intoxication has objective , real time legal definitions .

The phrase " Habitual Drunkard " , in firearms context , has objective legal definition .

In a broader sense , Addiction issues ( for whatever substance ) can be a factor in a Due Process Hearing in regards to Mental Competence .

Actual Convictions ( CDS or otherwise ) can create Prohibited status .

The problem was 922(g)(3) created long term , if not lifetime , loss of Rights for just having used it once , disarming a large double digit swath of the population .

 

[Biggfoot44]

Ever investigate a drug related crash? Ever make driving while high cases?

Driving while real time wasted ? Terrible thing , throw book .

The neo puritan cliche is that anyone that ever had weed , is 24/ 7 / 365 stoned out of their mind . That's the same as saying that anyone who ever had a cold beer or glass of wine , is 24/ 7 down on the street corner guzzling Milwaukee Ice and Sterno .


I'm not saying drive with a blunt , or be stoned all day , every day . I'm saying it should be on parity with alcohol .

 

[Biggfoot44]

that they choose to consider

That's the thing . Multiple good , mature cases this term for AWB , Mags , pre purchase licenses this term turned down .

 

[Biggfoot44]

So what restrictions on pot do you feel are appropriate since you dont seem to think there should be any restrictions on people who want to smoke it OR do you think anyone should be to do anything anytime? How do you propose stopping someone from driving while high? OR shouldnt we worry about that?

Its NOT anti gun to think people who are addicted to a drug shouldnt be trusted with a gun

The starting point is direct substitution with alcohol laws .

Toking while drive = Open Contsiner

Stoned = DUI

Habitual Stoner = Habitual Drunkard , with Weed Offense substituted for Alcohol Offense .

 

[Biggfoot44]

To be clear I don’t think an alcoholic should have access to firearms either but alcohol isn’t illegal.

In so far as " Alcohol Misusers , who get in legal trouble over alcohol , is already addressed as Habitual Drunkards ( within objective definition ) not able to posess firearms .

. So I ask would that include the mentally ill?

Already exists process to declare mentally incompetent , with Due Process .

How’bout convicted felons.

There actually is a potential conversation there , but leaving it for anothet epic debate of its own .

I don’t think the original authors of the constitution intended that but maybe you do?

The Old School attitude was " Too Dangerous to be Armed , Too Dangerous to walk the street . "

You want/need to get high to get through life do it without a gun.

Sure . See all the discussions , and various statutes re : Carry or Direct Control * while * drunk / stoned .

But if l hypotheticly sip a Distilled Kentucky Beverage on saturday night , doesn't mean l should be disarmed 24 / 7 / 365 .

 

[Biggfoot44]

I do think convicted felons should have gun rights after they have served thier sentence, inclduing any parole or probation. Not even, "resotred", just have them.
No process. Just boom, the minute you're done, you have your rights.
No courts, no lawyers, no paperwork, just automatic

I'll have to check if still current , but at least very recently , one state had " Sucuessfully Complete Total Sentence , including any follow on supervision = Automatic Pardon " . And it was a very low crime state .

( Not exactly my starting point for that discusion for another upcoming thread )