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Um, Not for Me, I Don’t Think…

ECS686 said:
I see a lot of this “training” where it seems to be folks trying to do a tactical Assualt. I get you can have to go in an offensive mode for a minute in a gunfight but not quite like storming Normandy. So I have to ask what’s a normal earth person get. Yes stress is good but again as a normal earth person hih are not going to be in a sustained firefight. Unless one decides to stick around and trade rounds and agin if it’s not ykur military or LE objective I have to ask why one would do that as normal Joe private citizen

One would get more with some Cognative decision making training where they assess on shoot don’t shoot, have to change decisions in shooting or don’t shoot of challenge them oh and what h out for rule 4 friendly so you don’t shoot or muzzle sweep them.

But running around like John wick and sub second draws on instagram (after 10 attempts) sells Amd looks cool I guess
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My thought is even one round coming at you is going to FEEL like a sustained gun fight. All of your senses will be enhanced, your adrenaline will be pumping. So adding in stress into your training is a good thing
 
Condition1 said:
There is nothing that you can do to prepare yourself for a gunfight. Train well and often and pray you don’t go lizard brain when you’re in one.
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Well you guys know how I feel about Force on Force. Its a pretty good training simulation, especially when you get hit because you feel the mistake. I get that this guy is trying to simulate the crazy of a fight but I would hesitate to condone this stunt. IDK maybe it works for him???
 
PieterCoetzee said:
Well you guys know how I feel about Force on Force. Its a pretty good training simulation, especially when you get hit because you feel the mistake. I get that this guy is trying to simulate the crazy of a fight but I would hesitate to condone this stunt. IDK maybe it works for him???
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I like force on force using airsoft guns if you can get people to join you. And also get them to wear a face mask and T shirt only and one pair of jeans. They usually show up in a hoodie and 3 pairs of pants.
 
Condition1 said:
They usually show up in a hoodie and 3 pairs of pants.
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Tell them that because of the way the dressed you will always remember them as a vagina and ask them if in real life they are gonna be wearing head to toe kelvar like the Hollywood shootout guys. If that doesnt make them strip then they arent worth training with in the first place.

My kids used to have airsoft battles in our back yard, wearing nothing more than shooting glasses

We had a PD firearms instructor who used to shoot recruits in the *** with real Simunitions if the Fd Up till some DEI hire said he did it because she was blaaaaak
 
PieterCoetzee said:
Tell them that because of the way the dressed you will always remember them as a vagina and ask them if in real life they are gonna be wearing head to toe kelvar like the Hollywood shootout guys. If that doesnt make them strip then they arent worth training with in the first place.

My kids used to have airsoft battles in our back yard, wearing nothing more than shooting glasses
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When we did mount training (combat in the city) in the military the guys in the buildings had red rider BB guns we had to go in only wearing t shirt and utility pants. We would put two guy in the first building we cleared take off their blank adapters and drive blanks into the muzzle of their M16 and fire them to cover the rest of us. Now imagine a 5.56 blank hitting you or just whizzing by your head. That will make you seek cover fast. Worked every time. But it took us a couple times to figure that out. The sting of a copper BB is a lot worse than airsoft.
If you razz them into wearing just a Tshirt they don’t come back. Yeah that was one of the first things my son and his friends would do was break out the safety glasses and airsoft guns. He would stash his full auto M4 and ambush his friends.
 
Condition1 said:
I like force on force using airsoft guns if you can get people to join you. And also get them to wear a face mask and T shirt only and one pair of jeans. They usually show up in a hoodie and 3 pairs of pants.
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I have a ton of experience woth force in force and just scenerios with simmunitions . Pain (not sure if compliance is the right word) but you need to have pain AND you need to have control or it becomes a huge game of grab **** on who has the bigger balls and that defeats the lesson especially woth Special team stuff

So more realistic scenarios in what you would see. One or 2 person robbery, mugging, carjacking etc as far as real earth people. If it’s LE then yeah traffic stops domestics while nine yards
 
ECS686 said:
I see a lot of this “training” where it seems to be folks trying to do a tactical Assualt. I get you can have to go in an offensive mode for a minute in a gunfight but not quite like storming Normandy. So I have to ask what’s a normal earth person get. Yes stress is good but again as a normal earth person hih are not going to be in a sustained firefight. Unless one decides to stick around and trade rounds and agin if it’s not ykur military or LE objective I have to ask why one would do that as normal Joe private citizen

One would get more with some Cognative decision making training where they assess on shoot don’t shoot, have to change decisions in shooting or don’t shoot of challenge them oh and what h out for rule 4 friendly so you don’t shoot or muzzle sweep them.

But running around like John wick and sub second draws on instagram (after 10 attempts) sells Amd looks cool I guess
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This. Way too many would be “operators” who think they are too cool (I mean they “have”won video games)-and ready to take on the world have never remotely been in real danger and would fill their skivies if they ever actually encountered a real threat. I had the “pleasure (😳) of staring down the barrel of a Colt Python in the hands of an off the wall psych patient who was within 5 ft of us while my partner and the security guy were UNARMED, and it was not “fun” or “exciting”, it was damn scary. I have no desire to ever look down the barrel of a gun again. Anyone who looks for that kind of thrill needs to be in the enchanted castle…
 
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