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all those precious citrus groves gone and for what..???

Old_Me said:
to build an expensive playland that takes hours to get to the rides you want, and VERY expensive food and beverages you drink while there...

i ain't never been there, in fact..ALL of my adult children and thier kids, have never been there....


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I said the same thing when Chevy wanted to expand and build a new plant. very expensive for what you get while there ;)
 
OldGrunt said:
Seems like a pretty good trade, 160 acres of land in exchange for 75 years worth of jobs and billions of dollars pumped into the local economy.
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you ever been there..??

i have had many friends, relatives that have..

some of the many comments from all of them...??

"never again"

"long lines"

"long wait times"


"expensive foods"

"high cost of transportation to and from the hotels/motels"

and it did not matter, Disney World or Epcot Center......

the wife kids and me, had a greater times at Sea World, and Busch Gardens when we went down there.

and don't kid yourself..a good portion of those jobs are at, or slightly above minimum wages....with no benefits.

so yeah.........its not the greatest employer.

i'll take all those citrus groves, and lower prices at the stores.






Working conditions at Walt Disney World in Florida involve a mix of strict corporate guidelines, physical demands, and financial pressures. While many employees—known as "cast members"—take pride in creating magical experiences, they frequently face challenges related to the high cost of living in Central Florida and demanding day-to-day tasks.



Physical Demands and Environment
    • Florida Weather: Outdoor roles require working through intense summer heat, high humidity, and frequent heavy rainstorms.
    • Strenuous Shifts: Long hours (often 8 to 12 hours), standing for extended periods, and repetitive tasks cause physical fatigue.
    • Emotional Labor: Cast members are expected to maintain an upbeat, positive demeanor for guests regardless of physical exhaustion or stressful situations.
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Rules and Expectations
    • Strict Appearance Standards: Disney enforces the "Disney Look," which regulates hair color, visible tattoos, and jewelry.

    • Operational Rules: Employees face strict policies regarding safety, efficiency, and a ban on personal devices like smartwatches in certain operational areas.

    • Morale Factors: Opinions on Facebook groups like Disney World Tips show a consensus that worker morale has been tested by rising guest entitlement and post-pandemic behavior.


Compensation and Cost of Living
    • Wages vs. Expenses: While union negotiations have pushed starting wages higher (ranging generally between $18 and $20 an hour depending on the role), opinions remain mixed on whether this keeps pace with rising local rent and housing costs in Orlando.

    • Second Jobs: Many full-time and part-time workers report needing roommates or secondary jobs in retail or food service to cover basic living expenses
 
Old_Me said:
you ever been there..??

i have had many friends, relatives that have..

some of the many comments from all of them...??

"never again"

"long lines"

"long wait times"


"expensive foods"

"high cost of transportation to and from the hotels/motels"

and it did not matter, Disney World or Epcot Center......

the wife kids and me, had a greater times at Sea World, and Busch Gardens when we went down there.

and don't kid yourself..a good portion of those jobs are at, or slightly above minimum wages....with no benefits.

so yeah.........its not the greatest employer.

i'll take all those citrus groves, and lower prices at the stores.






Working conditions at Walt Disney World in Florida involve a mix of strict corporate guidelines, physical demands, and financial pressures. While many employees—known as "cast members"—take pride in creating magical experiences, they frequently face challenges related to the high cost of living in Central Florida and demanding day-to-day tasks.



Physical Demands and Environment
    • Florida Weather: Outdoor roles require working through intense summer heat, high humidity, and frequent heavy rainstorms.
    • Strenuous Shifts: Long hours (often 8 to 12 hours), standing for extended periods, and repetitive tasks cause physical fatigue.
    • Emotional Labor: Cast members are expected to maintain an upbeat, positive demeanor for guests regardless of physical exhaustion or stressful situations.
      YouTube·AllEars.net +1

Rules and Expectations
    • Strict Appearance Standards: Disney enforces the "Disney Look," which regulates hair color, visible tattoos, and jewelry.

    • Operational Rules: Employees face strict policies regarding safety, efficiency, and a ban on personal devices like smartwatches in certain operational areas.

    • Morale Factors: Opinions on Facebook groups like Disney World Tips show a consensus that worker morale has been tested by rising guest entitlement and post-pandemic behavior.

Compensation and Cost of Living
    • Wages vs. Expenses: While union negotiations have pushed starting wages higher (ranging generally between $18 and $20 an hour depending on the role), opinions remain mixed on whether this keeps pace with rising local rent and housing costs in Orlando.

    • Second Jobs: Many full-time and part-time workers report needing roommates or secondary jobs in retail or food service to cover basic living expenses
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Yes, I have been to all those places. And your simple choice is don't go if you don't like it. But literally whole cities and economies have grown up from these industries. Funny that if they have been so terrible, they have lasted for 3/4 of a century. Just stay home if you don't like it.
 
OldGrunt said:
Yes, I have been to all those places. And your simple choice is don't go if you don't like it. But literally whole cities and economies have grown up from these industries. Funny that if they have been so terrible, they have lasted for 3/4 of a century. Just stay home if you don't like it.
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i do stay home......

then i go to the gun club, or the range, or anyone of our kids homes, or to the supermarket, or to the adventure land that is free and known as Wally-Mart........
 
3L120 said:
Back a looooong time ago, the 50 and 60s, most of California was orange groves. Disneyland was built on an orange grove. Riverside and San Bernardino counties are hurting for revenue, hurting badly, I imagine that there are still orange groves just a little farther out that will remain untouched for a few more years!
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even if...and i say...IF......Disney is producing money, then as you can see, the loss of those groves is costly......people NEED food, and the juices those groves provided, as well as the migrant workers needing money......

not too many people visit ANY theme park all year round..they are very much a "seasonal" venue......yes, so are the fruit groves, but then, the labor loss during the non growing season is nominal compared to the hundreds of workers during peak visiting hours for the theme parks.

food is more in need than a scheply mouse and a goofy dog.
 
Hi,

I'll agree that the Disney Corp. has been headed in the wrong direction lately. It seems the stockholders have been wanting a bigger return on their investments. They tried going woke and caught flak for it. I think they've toned it down recently.

I remember going to Disneyland when it was affordable and did not have the large crowds. You could even pull right up to the front gate and park, buy your ticket, and walk right in. Now even the employees have to park miles away and take a shuttle.

I worked over 10 years as an entertainer for The Mouse at the Disneyland Resort in California. Yes, there were "costume" requirements, behavior requirements, language restrictions, etc. Sometimes it was hard work, even for the musicians. I thought I was compensated adequately and most of the time we were fed while working our shift.

Just like attending Disneyland is a personal choice, so is working there. DLR is a huge employer with all kinds of jobs, skilled and unskilled, from entertainers to engineers, accountants to acrobats, security to sanitation. Some people work there and move on while other make a career at Disneyland Resort.

Sure, society had to give up a bunch of citrus groves. That happened all over Southern California as the masses moved into "The Golden State". Where I used to live was once a citrus grove. I would hope that someday the public at large will think more critically and realize that someday we might not be able to import everything we need to feed ourselves. We should plan properly and build our houses, condos, apartments where it puts as little strain as possible on our survival. Let's hope more humans will start thinking farther into the future, perhaps into eternity. Yeah, right. ;)

I'm sure this will solve nothing, but thanks for letting me share my thoughts.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
Old_Me said:
even if...and i say...IF......Disney is producing money, then as you can see, the loss of those groves is costly......people NEED food, and the juices those groves provided, as well as the migrant workers needing money......

not too many people visit ANY theme park all year round..they are very much a "seasonal" venue......yes, so are the fruit groves, but then, the labor loss during the non growing season is nominal compared to the hundreds of workers during peak visiting hours for the theme parks.

food is more in need than a scheply mouse and a goofy dog.
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Disney is nothing but woke anymore, they ruined the Marvell superhero movies with there diverse crap and woke theology, look at the newer Star Wars flops……
 
Old_Me said:
to build an expensive playland that takes hours to get to the rides you want, and VERY expensive food and beverages you drink while there...

i ain't never been there, in fact..ALL of my adult children and thier kids, have never been there....


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A company I worked for shared a business office building with Disney. They were absolutely deplorable people. All three of my children, and my grandchildren are all SoCal born and raised. To this very day, none of my children have ever been to Disneyland. I absolutely refused to give that arrogant pack of jackasses a penny of my money. No Disney movies, no Disney Channel, No Disney anything in my household.
 
Model 457 said:
A company I worked for shared a business office building with Disney. They were absolutely deplorable people. All three of my children, and my grandchildren are all SoCal born and raised. To this very day, none of my children have ever been to Disneyland. I absolutely refused to give that arrogant pack of jackasses a penny of my money. No Disney movies, no Disney Channel, No Disney anything in my household.
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Hypocrisy will do that to a person
 
Old_Me said:
you ever been there..??

i have had many friends, relatives that have..

some of the many comments from all of them...??

"never again"

"long lines"

"long wait times"


"expensive foods"

"high cost of transportation to and from the hotels/motels"

and it did not matter, Disney World or Epcot Center......

the wife kids and me, had a greater times at Sea World, and Busch Gardens when we went down there.

and don't kid yourself..a good portion of those jobs are at, or slightly above minimum wages....with no benefits.

so yeah.........its not the greatest employer.

i'll take all those citrus groves, and lower prices at the stores.






Working conditions at Walt Disney World in Florida involve a mix of strict corporate guidelines, physical demands, and financial pressures. While many employees—known as "cast members"—take pride in creating magical experiences, they frequently face challenges related to the high cost of living in Central Florida and demanding day-to-day tasks.



Physical Demands and Environment
    • Florida Weather: Outdoor roles require working through intense summer heat, high humidity, and frequent heavy rainstorms.
    • Strenuous Shifts: Long hours (often 8 to 12 hours), standing for extended periods, and repetitive tasks cause physical fatigue.
    • Emotional Labor: Cast members are expected to maintain an upbeat, positive demeanor for guests regardless of physical exhaustion or stressful situations.
      YouTube·AllEars.net +1

Rules and Expectations
    • Strict Appearance Standards: Disney enforces the "Disney Look," which regulates hair color, visible tattoos, and jewelry.

    • Operational Rules: Employees face strict policies regarding safety, efficiency, and a ban on personal devices like smartwatches in certain operational areas.

    • Morale Factors: Opinions on Facebook groups like Disney World Tips show a consensus that worker morale has been tested by rising guest entitlement and post-pandemic behavior.

Compensation and Cost of Living
    • Wages vs. Expenses: While union negotiations have pushed starting wages higher (ranging generally between $18 and $20 an hour depending on the role), opinions remain mixed on whether this keeps pace with rising local rent and housing costs in Orlando.

    • Second Jobs: Many full-time and part-time workers report needing roommates or secondary jobs in retail or food service to cover basic living expenses
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You can say the same thing about every professional sport, but here we are. Long lines, expensive, stadium workers have second jobs, yet no one bitches about that.

Different strokes for diff folks.
Good news in America is that you can decide not to go, not to watch or not to care what anyone else wants to do for fun 😉
 
Model 457 said:
A company I worked for shared a business office building with Disney. They were absolutely deplorable people. All three of my children, and my grandchildren are all SoCal born and raised. To this very day, none of my children have ever been to Disneyland. I absolutely refused to give that arrogant pack of jackasses a penny of my money. No Disney movies, no Disney Channel, No Disney anything in my household.
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Sounds like Wal Mart execs. Imagine. All the folks shopping at Walmart
 
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