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The Police Shootout that Changed Everything

I was just starting into law enforcement when this occurred. Back in the day, everyone had to use the revolvers because the only semi-auto was the 1911 (until the Smith mod 39 came out) and most depts would not allow them to be carried. I do recall the days of qualifications where you were required to police up your own brass. Many did put the empties in their pocket, including me until this incident. I had heard what was then a rumor or misinformation that one of officers had expended brass in their pocket. Until we switched to semi autos, all brass hit the deck from the cylinder.
 
Old_Me said:
i don't recall this at all, for one of a few reasons

no cable news for us back then

very little "national news" on my local tv back then

it just didn't "make the news" to go national back then.
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Same here. The only memory I have from when it occurred is reading of it in a less-than-timely fashion from the pages of the gun rags of the time. My dad always received the daily newspaper from the major "city" north of where I grew up. My grandfather got the daily newspaper from the major "city" to the south. I read both in their entirety almost every day and I don't recall reading of this event in those papers.
 
Very sad story. I cringe a bit whenever I see a LEOs approach cars during traffic violation stops. What makes those more dangerous are illegally tinted windows. I don't know what their training dictates today, but I believe that if an LEO cannot see the occupants, they should be summoned out of their vehicle the same as during a felony stop. Then ticketed for the illegal tinting, and make the fine very costly. My dad was fortunate to have made it through an entire career without being shot, but told me of some dear friends in the department who weren't so fortunate.
 
Dobbinsky said:
Very sad story. I cringe a bit whenever I see a LEOs approach cars during traffic violation stops. What makes those more dangerous are illegally tinted windows. I don't know what their training dictates today, but I believe that if an LEO cannot see the occupants, they should be summoned out of their vehicle the same as during a felony stop. Then ticketed for the illegal tinting, and make the fine very costly. My dad was fortunate to have made it through an entire career without being shot, but told me of some dear friends in the department who weren't so fortunate.
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Dob,

Glad your Dad made it. I had the same experience of going decades and only being shot at and not hit. Lucky. Some of my mates were not.

Randall
 
I lived fairly close to this and recall it, didn't know any of the detail. I was in the Army at the time. I own a S&W Highway Patrolman 357 I bought from a highway patrolman. As a left hander, I've come to believe I actually have an advantage reloading a revolver assuming I have two hands available. Practice of course is critical. I can push the cylinder release with my left index or knuckle, reach directly with my R hand to push out the cylinder w my R thumb, retaining it between my R thumb and fingers which wrap around the frame, and then control it as I eject and reload (from a speed loader). Swing it back with the R fingers. As to loose rounds, no one on the planet can reload rapidly with those.
 
Them gunfights come up fast and having been covered by an empty revolver, didn't make me smile afterwards, not knowing at the time. But I understand "in the confusion, he did fire six..."
Always carried speed loaders and the quals were tougher at longer distances with weak hand and when they took away the Magnums due to "It sounds bad to the Public...", the auto-pistol became the answer. One can carry up to 46 rounds with the FNX in .45ACP in a standard belt set-up. Can't count high enough for the 9mm...
The reloads on the revolvers were pretty fast depending on the brand speedloader. The old grays have probably had a laugh as someone always managed to sling the reload downrange, by twisting the release before the rounds were seated into the cylinder...
 
CEW said:
Them gunfights come up fast and having been covered by an empty revolver, didn't make me smile afterwards, not knowing at the time. But I understand "in the confusion, he did fire six..."
Always carried speed loaders and the quals were tougher at longer distances with weak hand and when they took away the Magnums due to "It sounds bad to the Public...", the auto-pistol became the answer. One can carry up to 46 rounds with the FNX in .45ACP in a standard belt set-up. Can't count high enough for the 9mm...
The reloads on the revolvers were pretty fast depending on the brand speedloader. The old grays have probably had a laugh as someone always managed to sling the reload downrange, by twisting the release before the rounds were seated into the cylinder...
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When I first started we had to use the old dump pouchs til the speed loaders were invented. We trained back to 50 yards for qualifications. Nowdays it's kinda the spray and pray theory.
 
4th Horseman said:
When I first started we had to use the old dump pouchs til the speed loaders were invented. We trained back to 50 yards for qualifications. Nowdays it's kinda the spray and pray theory.
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I was lucky to be in the transition to speedloaders, but not everyone carried them based on the look of the duty-belt and appearance was important. Now some agencies look like commandos (not a fan for regular duty) and a load-out that would make a Marine proud...
 
CEW said:
I was lucky to be in the transition to speedloaders, but not everyone carried them based on the look of the duty-belt and appearance was important. Now some agencies look like commandos (not a fan for regular duty) and a load-out that would make a Marine proud...
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Yeah, there's that, I opted for the loaders that would save me lag time if I needed it despite the looks. Never had a pistol shooting, had one with a rifle and one with my 870, the odds are way better :)
 
Dobbinsky said:
Very sad story. I cringe a bit whenever I see a LEOs approach cars during traffic violation stops. What makes those more dangerous are illegally tinted windows. I don't know what their training dictates today, but I believe that if an LEO cannot see the occupants, they should be summoned out of their vehicle the same as during a felony stop. Then ticketed for the illegal tinting, and make the fine very costly. My dad was fortunate to have made it through an entire career without being shot, but told me of some dear friends in the department who weren't so fortunate.
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Most always used P/A system to tell drivers/passengers to exit their vehicle show hands walk to the rear of their vehicles. Did this while standing behind my open door.
 
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