testtest

Rock Island Armory Rant

This is my first post. Forgive the length but I needed to fully explain my predicament.
Let me start by saying that I am not ranting about RIA quality. I have had several and loved the quality. Currently, I have an RIA model 51399 that came with an optic cut and a red dot. When I opened the box, there was the 45 ACP 1911 that I bought. the box, however, did not have a chamber plug or lock. This was no big deal, but the purchase was incomplete to a minor degree.
I wanted to put a better red dot on because I had heard talk about the quality of the red dot that RIA put on. No one knew who the manufacturer was, probably an unknown source in China. I mounted a Vortex Defender RMSc since that is the slide cut.
When I went to remove the RD I stripped the screws because they were so tight I could not budge them. I had to go to a gunsmith to get them removed. He put in 2 new screws and blue lock tight them in. When I shot my first competition (after sighting in, of course) my sights loosened up and my shots started to wander. This was not expected. I thought that the screws the gunsmith put in may be a bit too short and that is why they backed out. I never asked the gunsmith what thread pattern he put in, my fault.
I called RIA and they said they were out of sight screws but would back order me a set. In the meantime, I kept a T10 wrench with me and made sure they were tight when I was at the range. 6 months go by and RIA finally send me the screws, but they sent the wrong size. Not only the wrong size, but 5 bags of different sizes all the wrong size. I called and told them the problem, and they said that their gunsmith said the size is 3 x 0.5. They are too big and obviously do not fit. Needless to say, they did not believe me. I asked them to look at the model spec sheet and reconfirm with the gunsmith. They do not know what size screw mount the red dot. This is amazing.
Here are my questions for the experts on this forum. First, does anyone remotely know what size screws are used for the red dot mount, and second, does anyone know the dovetail dimensions on this model 51399 which are suppressor height sights. I measure the dovetail at: 0.24" x 2mm and do not know the angle. You may not be surprised, but the gunsmith at RIA did not know the dovetail dimensions either. I want to know just in case I want to put on a good set of adjustable sights since I shoot irons better than red dot.
AKmhJmGl.jpg
 
You may also want to also ask these sites...


 
The situation has been resolved but it was not easy. I did not have to send it back to RIA and be without my gun for a few to several weeks.
Here goes the solution. RIA sent me several envelopes of different sized screws to attach my Vortex Defender red dot to my model 51399 with optic cut. They sent them because the sight kept coming loose during recoil. I could not get any of the screws to fit the threaded hole in the slide; therefore, I thought they sent the wrong sized screws. I got very frustrated and decided to have a local machinist drill them out to the next larger size, tap them and use the new screw thread pattern. He agreed that the screw would not fit but for a different reason. The threads in the hole were very coarsely done, had burrs and would not let the screw they sent, fit. Size was 3 x 0.5. He re-tapped the drilled hole at a clean 3 x 0.5 and lo and behold the screws went in without an issue. We even used longer screws because the original screws only had at best 3 threads in the slide. The new screw has at least 6 to 7 threads biting the slide. He assured me with #242 blue loctite and torqued correctly the screws were not going to back out. Hopefully, no more equipment induced alibis during a match.
I wrote to the customer service rep I had been communicating with and apologized for the misunderstanding but explained how the slide was also poorly tapped.
Thanks to forum members who commented.
I had to change my name b/c i could not get in under mustachio but this is the OP
 
Last edited:
The situation has been resolved but it was not easy. I did not have to send it back to RIA and be without my gun for a few to several weeks.
Here goes the solution. RIA sent me several envelopes of different sized screws to attach my Vortex Defender red dot to my model 51399 with optic cut. They sent them because the sight kept coming loose during recoil. I could not get any of the screws to fit the threaded hole in the slide; therefore, I thought they sent the wrong sized screws. I got very frustrated and decided to have a local machinist drill them out to the next larger size, tap them and use the new screw thread pattern. He agreed that the screw would not fit but for a different reason. The threads in the hole were very coarsely done, had burrs and would not let the screw they sent, fit. Size was 3 x 0.5. He re-tapped the drilled hole at a clean 3 x 0.5 and lo and behold the screws went in without an issue. We even used longer screws because the original screws only had at best 3 threads in the slide. The new screw has at least 6 to 7 threads biting the slide. He assured me with #242 blue loctite and torqued correctly the screws were not going to back out. Hopefully, no more equipment induced alibis during a match.
I wrote to the customer service rep I had been communicating with and apologized for the misunderstanding but explained how the slide was also poorly tapped.
Thanks to forum members who commented.
I had to change my name b/c i could not get in under mustachio but this is the OP
glad it worked out..

always best to contact ANY manufacturer for help..many times, they will send small parts for no charge, and of course they usually always make repairs, again for no charge. But i also do understand the time waiting.

good luck.
 
i have 2 ria's coming that are optic ready and hope i don't have the issues you had with the 1 posted. i'll be on the lookout for potential issues
 
Back
Top