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Ok I tried to politely conversation but here why I responded to your original comment. You are dead wrong period. Yes at one time what you mentioned about effectiveness of OC it wasnt FOId, they have changed a lot since the 1970’s and everywhere that still use it (but most places LEOs refuse...

Respectfully you have stayed with your opinion however outside of saying what you saw or whatever happened at your department you haven’t shared anything to support it. I have shared some experience and I also have pointed out relevant national training programs for a reference to back up my...

Well first force desperate is a totally different realm. Second I never once said to only carry OC I do however recommend everyone gaht Carey’s a gun should probably have OC just like all of my fellow Rangemaster instructors (as in Tom Givens Rangemaster conpany that’s vetted and accredited in...

OC grenades if a private citizen can even get yjen would be extremely bad optics and outside of a crowd mob scenario not sure it’s the right tool. We had them and never used them. As far as OC spray that is found anywhere I would look at the manufacture of your agency’s OC. As Haggard pointed...

Respectfully your statements are 30 some years outdated or you have never worked any use of force stuff in the last 25 years if ever. Tasers are only effective 50% of the time, convicted peeps know how to break the wire by rolling. And is only good for one suspect. OC you can use for...

Respectfully short of using tracer flame whatever that burst a guy into flames what caliber you choose is of no relevance. That’s an old outdated tale. (And the case woth 10mm in AZ woth the guy named Fish was not about the 10mm it was the statement of Fish didn’t jive with other folks that...

I went to a SORT Tactical Trainers course in 2008 at FCC Victorville California. They wanted a coulke trainers per team to keep teams in the program trainers we would go and certify other teams and yjen whem pur own teams got certified annually if something was bad the trainers and team leaders...

When I was stationed at Malmstrom AFH in Great Falls in the early 90’s it seems there were one or two people on average killed a year and several other seriously injured at Glacier alone. I don’t know the specifics here and a few have probably been uncanny luck, but the majority of those...

Let me break down the Latin. In the Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) out of 122 institurions only about 10-13 are high security. The bulk are low or mediums. At US Penitentiaries (high security for the Feds woth several Max custody) and the ADX everyone is a Max custody and they have some inmates...

I am glad it worked out for the Fad, anytime bad guys get theirs. My point was self defense matters can go south on Bad perceptions or bad camera oltics. Line otherwise justified shootings but the social media stuff comes out. As far as my criticism of tough talkers I have heard a lot of bold...

If you are familiar with the California courts her attorney won a couple times and the criminal side. The problem they (family) got the civil case reversed after it was dropped on the civil side. As far as the whole judged by 12 comment. My experience (and I base this as someone that’s been...

I have been in scene at a few shootjng, I have also been involved in some form of LE for 40 years to include training. Bear with me as this all rolls over to normal earth people when they use force We are (or should be) long gone from the bad SOP of “shoot til the threat goes away” I am also...

I hear that a lot, and it’s usually from people that have never been cross examined by the plaintiffs attorney in court!

Respectfully to some that are Tough talkers. I bet the tone changes when the gavel comes down. Ask LAPD Officer Toni McBride she shot a suspect with a knife 6 times. The review bird said she was good with the first four but the last 2 that she was not. This she has been fighting the case off and...

Respectfully, (and I am not saying you mean to) the problem is with words. The media throws around terms like Solitary and paint everything with that broad brush (like Assualt rifles) and peolme want that have no basic understanding other than what a news article calls it and it sticks make...

There is no such thjng as Solitary confinement Single cell yes Solitary no. The last inmate in Solitary confinement within the Federal Bureau of Prisons was Thomas Silverstein Silverstein at USP Leavenworth until they moved him to ADX Florence in 2005 whem Leavenworth was downgraded to a medium...

As someone that did 20 years inside a high security federal penitentiary (working that is) and as a LT the inmate is full of BS and the judge just as much. BOP policy If an inmate became disruptive or tried to self mutilate themselves the Operations LT could put them in 4 point restraints or...

O would say the FBI/Miami and the Bank of America shootout (BOA LAPD did employee skne K38’s trying head shots from theor PPC team) is an exception to everyday police shootings in the wheelgun days! https://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-1997bank_robbery-pg-photogallery.html

On a somewhat related note this reminds me (although I never forgot as I do a lot with Wheelguns to this day) I was exposed to Wheelguns in the AF yjen as a municipal LEO in 1990 and it was “normal” to have speedloaders on your belt in your bag and even in the pockets of ykur patrol car. So...

Something that Clint Smith said one time is spot on (like most of what he says) Guns are suppose to be “Comforting” not “Comfortable” Of course this was before the mindset and em and for minute 15-17 shot 9mm and 380’s took off. I still hold Clint’s view as practice as the smallest guns I...