Keystone19250
SAINT
Agreed. Shot placement along with continuing to shoot until the threat is eliminated.
3 Myths About Handgun Stopping Power
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Anchorite
Custom
And there is the mag-dump in the threat.
I guess the theory rests, in part, on the idea that if you just shoot until the treat stops, well, what constitutes stopped? No longer moving in your direction? No more furtive movements? Collapsed on the ground or not moving from the vehicle?
Keep firing until you empty your magazine is empty per your training ?
If one empty’s their magazine then tops off while the threat is “appearing to stop,” at least you know your magazine is more than likely full and there has been no malfunctioning.
I’m just a civilian, but these questions are important to me from a learning standpoint.
The Night Rider
Hellcat
Just so we're clear I don't claim to know her. I've never met her but I've asked her a few questions online.
I seem to remember reading that she claimed to know who Gecko45 was. She said he was a coworker in a gun store she used to (or maybe still does)work in.
When LAPD started authorizing 9mm, we were still in the HP is evil mode. Wheelguns went from 158 grain lead to a 125 grain SP. First 9mm load was an 88 grain SP. them to a 147 grain HP and finally a 115 grain SP. now that was over 30 years ago, when I was retired. We could carry a Beretta 92 or a Smith 5904/06. I am sure there have been a LOT of changes since.
Ethan Sackett
Operator
For the last few days I have read the response's to the article. I have carried a S&W 19-3 as a police chief, a S&W 66-3, a Sig semi in 40 s&w and a Glock 22 as a state law enforcement officer. I have been shot at, (hit-cut) and have shot at people.
When I started we shot from 50 yards to the 1 yard line. Then it went to the 25 yard to the 1 yard line. Now it's even shorter in distance with less ammo expended. As a firearms instructor I will say this, law enforcement does not shoot enough. Accuracy is paramount and the most important rule of gun safety. If you cannot hit what you are shooting at you are unsafe, period. I have seen folks shot with a .44 mag, torso hit and lived. Head shot .25 auto point blank ( muzzle inches from the back of head) she was walking and talking when we arrived, lived. Caliber is important to a point. Can you put it where it needs to go. Let's look at the weapons of a couple of gunfighters, Bill Hickock- colt navy .36 caliber. Bill Jordan Model various .38 and .357 revolvers finally the model 19 he fought so hard to have S&W make, as well as a 1911 and others. I prefer the .40 S&W and .45 ACP but that's me. I own high capacity handguns. They are great I just do not need 30 rounds of ammo to go to town and back. Shot placement is important, screwing your brain and a#$hole down tight and focusing on the situation is a requirement to survival. That's why good instructors teach and correct shooting problems, as well as do things to rattle your mind set while practicing. Because it's even more unsettling in real life, it's up to person to become proficient with what caliber they choose to carry. In the end hell I don't know. In WW I, the roaring 20's WW II, Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan, a lot of folks have been killed with 32's, 38's, 9mm's, 44-40's, 38-40's, 44's, 45LC and 45ACP's. It depends on what you have and can shoot safely (accurately). Accuracy matters. Everyone that has commented at least has given some thought to their situation, that is important as there are no participation trophies in real life that you want except to live , to survive.
Ok I will get down off my soapbox and shut up. Thank, Ethan.
When I started we shot from 50 yards to the 1 yard line. Then it went to the 25 yard to the 1 yard line. Now it's even shorter in distance with less ammo expended. As a firearms instructor I will say this, law enforcement does not shoot enough. Accuracy is paramount and the most important rule of gun safety. If you cannot hit what you are shooting at you are unsafe, period. I have seen folks shot with a .44 mag, torso hit and lived. Head shot .25 auto point blank ( muzzle inches from the back of head) she was walking and talking when we arrived, lived. Caliber is important to a point. Can you put it where it needs to go. Let's look at the weapons of a couple of gunfighters, Bill Hickock- colt navy .36 caliber. Bill Jordan Model various .38 and .357 revolvers finally the model 19 he fought so hard to have S&W make, as well as a 1911 and others. I prefer the .40 S&W and .45 ACP but that's me. I own high capacity handguns. They are great I just do not need 30 rounds of ammo to go to town and back. Shot placement is important, screwing your brain and a#$hole down tight and focusing on the situation is a requirement to survival. That's why good instructors teach and correct shooting problems, as well as do things to rattle your mind set while practicing. Because it's even more unsettling in real life, it's up to person to become proficient with what caliber they choose to carry. In the end hell I don't know. In WW I, the roaring 20's WW II, Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan, a lot of folks have been killed with 32's, 38's, 9mm's, 44-40's, 38-40's, 44's, 45LC and 45ACP's. It depends on what you have and can shoot safely (accurately). Accuracy matters. Everyone that has commented at least has given some thought to their situation, that is important as there are no participation trophies in real life that you want except to live , to survive.
Ok I will get down off my soapbox and shut up. Thank, Ethan.
CCJ
Elite
well said...
Anchorite
Custom
@Ethan Sackett does a good summation of what I think a lot of us here are tapping into.
Thank you for your thoughts, comments, contribution and service.
Thank you for your thoughts, comments, contribution and service.