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All the more reason for the 2A - it looks like it's on globally

Belt Fed said:
You just wait, when you climb down my chimney this year the fire will be roaring and yer butt is probably gonna catch fire, so waiting for you will be a fat hooker to put the fire out and open up a couple bud lights for you.
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I don't know where you are getting the idea that you are on the "nice" list. You made the top 10 on the naughty list (again), so there won't be a stop at your double wide this year. I should probably make it for 5 years. Unless I get a machine gun show up at my place real soon!
 
Update: groups band together to stop conservatives from saving the country(s).
From the article "
A Fox News Digital investigation has mapped 287 groups in France's expanding protest ecosystem, including 50 explicitly Antifa organizations, 27 explicitly communist, socialist, Trotskyist or revolutionary-left organizations, 24 labor unions and an expanding coalition of far-left anti-Israel, migrant-rights, environmental, feminist, transgender and other activist organizations. The demonstrations, which claim to be about youth education, include just 27 student and youth organizations. The coordination comes amid a wider transnational campaign of mayhem organized by communist, socialist and leftist groups in Greece, Italy, Spain, India and elsewhere."

And we are supposed to buy the nonsense of "student protests".

www.foxnews.com

Fifty Antifa groups in France join vast network to ensure chaos in weekend protests

A Fox News Digital investigation identified 50 militant Antifa cells mobilizing protesters to descend on Orléans for the National Rally congress.
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could be more likely his son and heir Alexander Soros -

from Wiki: Alexander Soros (born October 27, 1985[1]) is an American investor and philanthropist. One of the five children of billionaire George Soros, he chairs the Board of Directors of the Open Society Foundations[2] and sits on the investment committee for Soros Fund Management. He was also named one of the World Economic Forum's Young Global Leaders of 2018
 
trader said:
could be more likely his son and heir Alexander Soros -

from Wiki: Alexander Soros (born October 27, 1985[1]) is an American investor and philanthropist. One of the five children of billionaire George Soros, he chairs the Board of Directors of the Open Society Foundations[2] and sits on the investment committee for Soros Fund Management. He was also named one of the World Economic Forum's Young Global Leaders of 2018
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Imagine my surprise 🙄
 
trader said:
Update: groups band together to stop conservatives from saving the country(s).
From the article "
A Fox News Digital investigation has mapped 287 groups in France's expanding protest ecosystem, including 50 explicitly Antifa organizations, 27 explicitly communist, socialist, Trotskyist or revolutionary-left organizations, 24 labor unions and an expanding coalition of far-left anti-Israel, migrant-rights, environmental, feminist, transgender and other activist organizations. The demonstrations, which claim to be about youth education, include just 27 student and youth organizations. The coordination comes amid a wider transnational campaign of mayhem organized by communist, socialist and leftist groups in Greece, Italy, Spain, India and elsewhere."

And we are supposed to buy the nonsense of "student protests".

www.foxnews.com

Fifty Antifa groups in France join vast network to ensure chaos in weekend protests

A Fox News Digital investigation identified 50 militant Antifa cells mobilizing protesters to descend on Orléans for the National Rally congress.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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Antifa is short for "anti-fascist" — a loanword from the German Antifa, itself a contraction of antifaschistisch, and originally a nickname for Antifaschistische Aktion (1932–1933), a short-lived German group that inspired the wider movement. The German word first appeared around 1930, borrowed from the Italian anti-Fascisti.
Britannica defines it as "a broad and decentralized political movement comprising individuals and groups who believe that fascism continues to pose a unique threat to democratic and peaceful societies and must be combatted through extraordinary, radical, and, in some cases, violent and illegal means."

What it actually is structurally​

The most important thing to understand is what antifa is not: it is not an organization with membership rolls, leadership, or a central command. Nearly every serious source stresses this.
  • Wikipedia describes it as "a highly decentralized array of autonomous groups" — a pan-leftist, non-hierarchical movement united by opposition to right-wing extremism and white supremacy.
  • Mark Bray, historian at Rutgers and author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, frames it as "a political philosophy and not a single organization."
  • ACLED (Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project) notes that groups sometimes adopt the "antifa" label themselves — Rose City Antifa in Portland, Oregon, founded 2007, is the oldest US group to use it — but more often anti-fascists organize as loose collectives or act as unaffiliated individuals.
  • The Congressional Research Service observes that contemporary US adherents "likely do not share a list of enemies," since the movement lacks a unifying structure or detailed ideology. Local groups may not listen to each other, and "fascism is notoriously difficult to define" — so different groups oppose different things.

Tactics​

The range is wide, and this is where characterizations diverge most.

Non-violent methods include poster and flyer campaigns, mutual aid, speeches, protest marches, community organizing, digital activism, research and infiltration of far-right groups, doxing, and pressuring employers. Bray's own assessment: "the vast majority of anti-fascist tactics involve no physical violence whatsoever" — followed by his acknowledgment that "it's also true that some of them punch Nazis in the face and don't apologize for it."

Britannica lists "deplatforming," doxing, property damage at protests, and disrupting right-wing events. Wikipedia notes some participants use harassment, violence, and property damage.

Origins​

Roots are generally traced to the interwar period, specifically resistance to the rise of fascism in Italy and Germany (Britannica). US antifa activism traces to antiracists mobilizing in the 1980s against racist skinheads, the KKK, and neo-Nazis — Bray points to Anti-Racist Action, whose members confronted neo-Nazi skinheads at punk shows in the Midwest. The movement was largely dormant by the early 2000s, then revived with the rise of the alt-right.

The contested part: legal designation​

This is where you need competing claims attributed carefully, because the legal picture is genuinely unsettled.

Federal: On 22 September 2025, President Trump issued an executive order designating antifa a "domestic terrorist organization" and directing agencies to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle its operations. Per CFR Education, the order does not carry legal force — federal law defines domestic terrorism, but there is no legal mechanism for designating domestic groups as terrorist organizations the way there is for Foreign Terrorist Organizations. Trump reinforced it days later with a memo.

State: Florida enacted CS/CS/HB 1471 (2026), creating a state designation process. On 29 September 2026, Governor DeSantis and the Cabinet designated antifa, CAIR, and the Muslim Brotherhood as domestic terrorist organizations (Tallahassee Democrat, WLRN). CAIR sued in federal court the same day, seeking a declaration that the designation is unconstitutional; the designations are already facing legal challenges.

Foreign: The State Department designated four antifa groups in Germany, Italy, and Greece as terrorist organizations in November 2025 (Charity Lawyer Blog).

Criticism: Critics argue the designations recall authoritarian crackdowns. Bray, speaking on CBC's Front Burner, draws that parallel. Congressional letters have pressed the DOJ on the National Lawyers Guild and demanded documents from the Open Society Foundations and Alliance for Global Justice over alleged antifa ties (ICNL).

One methodological caution​

Because "antifa" is used both by adherents and opponents as a label, and because there's no membership to count, claims about antifa's size, violence rate, or composition are unusually hard to verify. ACLED makes a point worth remembering: "The presence of anti-fascist symbols at a demonstration does not mean the whole demonstration or associated movement can be labeled anti-fascist." That's the same inferential trap as attributing a crowd's behaviour to everyone in it.

Want me to dig into the empirical research on political violence data — the CSIS and ACLED datasets get cited on both sides of this debate, and they're worth looking at directly rather than through summaries?
 
Silly Goose 357 said:
Antifa is short for "anti-fascist" — a loanword from the German Antifa, itself a contraction of antifaschistisch, and originally a nickname for Antifaschistische Aktion (1932–1933), a short-lived German group that inspired the wider movement. The German word first appeared around 1930, borrowed from the Italian anti-Fascisti.
Britannica defines it as "a broad and decentralized political movement comprising individuals and groups who believe that fascism continues to pose a unique threat to democratic and peaceful societies and must be combatted through extraordinary, radical, and, in some cases, violent and illegal means."

What it actually is structurally​

The most important thing to understand is what antifa is not: it is not an organization with membership rolls, leadership, or a central command. Nearly every serious source stresses this.
  • Wikipedia describes it as "a highly decentralized array of autonomous groups" — a pan-leftist, non-hierarchical movement united by opposition to right-wing extremism and white supremacy.
  • Mark Bray, historian at Rutgers and author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, frames it as "a political philosophy and not a single organization."
  • ACLED (Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project) notes that groups sometimes adopt the "antifa" label themselves — Rose City Antifa in Portland, Oregon, founded 2007, is the oldest US group to use it — but more often anti-fascists organize as loose collectives or act as unaffiliated individuals.
  • The Congressional Research Service observes that contemporary US adherents "likely do not share a list of enemies," since the movement lacks a unifying structure or detailed ideology. Local groups may not listen to each other, and "fascism is notoriously difficult to define" — so different groups oppose different things.

Tactics​

The range is wide, and this is where characterizations diverge most.

Non-violent methods include poster and flyer campaigns, mutual aid, speeches, protest marches, community organizing, digital activism, research and infiltration of far-right groups, doxing, and pressuring employers. Bray's own assessment: "the vast majority of anti-fascist tactics involve no physical violence whatsoever" — followed by his acknowledgment that "it's also true that some of them punch Nazis in the face and don't apologize for it."

Britannica lists "deplatforming," doxing, property damage at protests, and disrupting right-wing events. Wikipedia notes some participants use harassment, violence, and property damage.

Origins​

Roots are generally traced to the interwar period, specifically resistance to the rise of fascism in Italy and Germany (Britannica). US antifa activism traces to antiracists mobilizing in the 1980s against racist skinheads, the KKK, and neo-Nazis — Bray points to Anti-Racist Action, whose members confronted neo-Nazi skinheads at punk shows in the Midwest. The movement was largely dormant by the early 2000s, then revived with the rise of the alt-right.

The contested part: legal designation​

This is where you need competing claims attributed carefully, because the legal picture is genuinely unsettled.

Federal: On 22 September 2025, President Trump issued an executive order designating antifa a "domestic terrorist organization" and directing agencies to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle its operations. Per CFR Education, the order does not carry legal force — federal law defines domestic terrorism, but there is no legal mechanism for designating domestic groups as terrorist organizations the way there is for Foreign Terrorist Organizations. Trump reinforced it days later with a memo.

State: Florida enacted CS/CS/HB 1471 (2026), creating a state designation process. On 29 September 2026, Governor DeSantis and the Cabinet designated antifa, CAIR, and the Muslim Brotherhood as domestic terrorist organizations (Tallahassee Democrat, WLRN). CAIR sued in federal court the same day, seeking a declaration that the designation is unconstitutional; the designations are already facing legal challenges.

Foreign: The State Department designated four antifa groups in Germany, Italy, and Greece as terrorist organizations in November 2025 (Charity Lawyer Blog).

Criticism: Critics argue the designations recall authoritarian crackdowns. Bray, speaking on CBC's Front Burner, draws that parallel. Congressional letters have pressed the DOJ on the National Lawyers Guild and demanded documents from the Open Society Foundations and Alliance for Global Justice over alleged antifa ties (ICNL).

One methodological caution​

Because "antifa" is used both by adherents and opponents as a label, and because there's no membership to count, claims about antifa's size, violence rate, or composition are unusually hard to verify. ACLED makes a point worth remembering: "The presence of anti-fascist symbols at a demonstration does not mean the whole demonstration or associated movement can be labeled anti-fascist." That's the same inferential trap as attributing a crowd's behaviour to everyone in it.

Want me to dig into the empirical research on political violence data — the CSIS and ACLED datasets get cited on both sides of this debate, and they're worth looking at directly rather than through summaries?
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It is a criminal organization. Period.
 
Silly Goose 357 said:
Antifa is short for "anti-fascist" — a loanword from the German Antifa, itself a contraction of antifaschistisch, and originally a nickname for Antifaschistische Aktion (1932–1933), a short-lived German group that inspired the wider movement. The German word first appeared around 1930, borrowed from the Italian anti-Fascisti.
Britannica defines it as "a broad and decentralized political movement comprising individuals and groups who believe that fascism continues to pose a unique threat to democratic and peaceful societies and must be combatted through extraordinary, radical, and, in some cases, violent and illegal means."

What it actually is structurally​

The most important thing to understand is what antifa is not: it is not an organization with membership rolls, leadership, or a central command. Nearly every serious source stresses this.
  • Wikipedia describes it as "a highly decentralized array of autonomous groups" — a pan-leftist, non-hierarchical movement united by opposition to right-wing extremism and white supremacy.
  • Mark Bray, historian at Rutgers and author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, frames it as "a political philosophy and not a single organization."
  • ACLED (Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project) notes that groups sometimes adopt the "antifa" label themselves — Rose City Antifa in Portland, Oregon, founded 2007, is the oldest US group to use it — but more often anti-fascists organize as loose collectives or act as unaffiliated individuals.
  • The Congressional Research Service observes that contemporary US adherents "likely do not share a list of enemies," since the movement lacks a unifying structure or detailed ideology. Local groups may not listen to each other, and "fascism is notoriously difficult to define" — so different groups oppose different things.

Tactics​

The range is wide, and this is where characterizations diverge most.

Non-violent methods include poster and flyer campaigns, mutual aid, speeches, protest marches, community organizing, digital activism, research and infiltration of far-right groups, doxing, and pressuring employers. Bray's own assessment: "the vast majority of anti-fascist tactics involve no physical violence whatsoever" — followed by his acknowledgment that "it's also true that some of them punch Nazis in the face and don't apologize for it."

Britannica lists "deplatforming," doxing, property damage at protests, and disrupting right-wing events. Wikipedia notes some participants use harassment, violence, and property damage.

Origins​

Roots are generally traced to the interwar period, specifically resistance to the rise of fascism in Italy and Germany (Britannica). US antifa activism traces to antiracists mobilizing in the 1980s against racist skinheads, the KKK, and neo-Nazis — Bray points to Anti-Racist Action, whose members confronted neo-Nazi skinheads at punk shows in the Midwest. The movement was largely dormant by the early 2000s, then revived with the rise of the alt-right.

The contested part: legal designation​

This is where you need competing claims attributed carefully, because the legal picture is genuinely unsettled.

Federal: On 22 September 2025, President Trump issued an executive order designating antifa a "domestic terrorist organization" and directing agencies to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle its operations. Per CFR Education, the order does not carry legal force — federal law defines domestic terrorism, but there is no legal mechanism for designating domestic groups as terrorist organizations the way there is for Foreign Terrorist Organizations. Trump reinforced it days later with a memo.

State: Florida enacted CS/CS/HB 1471 (2026), creating a state designation process. On 29 September 2026, Governor DeSantis and the Cabinet designated antifa, CAIR, and the Muslim Brotherhood as domestic terrorist organizations (Tallahassee Democrat, WLRN). CAIR sued in federal court the same day, seeking a declaration that the designation is unconstitutional; the designations are already facing legal challenges.

Foreign: The State Department designated four antifa groups in Germany, Italy, and Greece as terrorist organizations in November 2025 (Charity Lawyer Blog).

Criticism: Critics argue the designations recall authoritarian crackdowns. Bray, speaking on CBC's Front Burner, draws that parallel. Congressional letters have pressed the DOJ on the National Lawyers Guild and demanded documents from the Open Society Foundations and Alliance for Global Justice over alleged antifa ties (ICNL).

One methodological caution​

Because "antifa" is used both by adherents and opponents as a label, and because there's no membership to count, claims about antifa's size, violence rate, or composition are unusually hard to verify. ACLED makes a point worth remembering: "The presence of anti-fascist symbols at a demonstration does not mean the whole demonstration or associated movement can be labeled anti-fascist." That's the same inferential trap as attributing a crowd's behaviour to everyone in it.

Want me to dig into the empirical research on political violence data — the CSIS and ACLED datasets get cited on both sides of this debate, and they're worth looking at directly rather than through summaries?
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French justice at the end of WWII speaks volumes to what should be the norm to curtail the current state of the French issues
 
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