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Any Krinkov owners? Talk to me

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PieterCoetzee

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Ive kinda got an urge for a Krinkov, Suchka, Draco, AK74u (except I want it in 762x39). Ill start with a braced pistol then SBR it. I want it mostly "just because" and of course for the impending zombie apocalypse / urban hordes:cool:

I have other SBRd AKs AMD65 and a special build done by a former gunsmith in Baton Rouge that looks like a MP5 and a AK had a love child (MP5 forearm with Choate PDW stock). So I dont really need another short AK; but I always kinda like the look and 762x39 performs well in short barrels. With a 9" barrel and folding stock it wont be an under your coat concealment gun but a nice travel gun

Anybody have one? Any brands better than others? Im not looking to spent the $$$ for an Arsenal although I do recognize their quality. I was thinking the Polish Pioneer Arms Hellpup or maybe even the Century Draco
 
Belt Fed said:
If'n you get a Drake yer gonna have to learn to shoot it sideways
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Well there IS that but Im still picturing a 74u
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I was at the Public Outdoor Shooting Range in Oregon's Tillamook Forest. Some young'uns were shooting a 7" barreled AR-15. It was annoyingly loud. I saw the pistol as, more or less, pointless.
 
Captain O said:
Not a real fan of the Krinkov (AK pistols).

  1. In 7.62 x 39, there's too much loss in velocity from a 9" barrel.
  2. Controllability can be an issue.
  3. Accuracy? What accuracy?
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Hmmm Lemme be clear Im not thinking of this as a pistol. The Soviets designed it as a "PDW" I equate 762x39 to 300 Blackout. In a 9 inch barrel its still a capable round and platform out beyond 100m with a brace or stock. I place it somewhere between a magnum SMG (10mm, 30Carbine, etc) and a short rifle (M18) but with a bigger bullet

Captain O said:
I was at the Public Outdoor Shooting Range in Oregon's Tillamook Forest. Some young'uns were shooting a 7" barreled AR-15. It was annoyingly loud. I saw the pistol as, more or less, pointless.
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The 7 1/2 ARs are BLAST machines and give up ballistic effectiveness for size. I had a VietNam vet buddy that was wheelchair bound. He called his 7.5 gun his room blaster. His intended use was in his house, since he could easily run out of the house.

My main issue with the super short AR platform is the requirement for the buffer tube, with a Honey Badger type stock they can be small but I think not as compact as a AK. Going to 10 or 11 inches improves 556 ballistics but makes the gun even larger, while 762x39 is still effective in 7-9 inch barrels
 
Captain O said:
A .30 Carbine Version would be effective, with less muzzle blast.
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Im not sure about less blast. I fired a AMT pistol in 30 Carbine at night ONE time. It lit up the whole yard

I have toyed with an Advisor Carbine. Its basically a M1a1 Carbine (folding stock with the barrel cut back to just in front of the receiver with the front sight re-installed

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I was thinking an AK because I have mags and ammo
 
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SBR’s and Braces on a short gun have there place mainly CQB or troops in the rear. A rifle is a lot easier to shot than a pistol and less time to train a soldier to use. That was the main use for the M1 carbine. Cooks, rear Medical anyone that wasn’t on the front lines. If I remember right the Marine’s on the front used them when fighting on the Japanese in the Pacific.
 
Condition1 said:
SBR’s and Braces on a short gun have there place mainly CQB or troops in the rear. A rifle is a lot easier to shot than a pistol and less time to train a soldier to use. That was the main use for the M1 carbine. Cooks, rear Medical anyone that wasn’t on the front lines.
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YEP that was the original idea of the PDW project. A mechanic's rifle leaning "over there" against the tree isnt very useful when Russian paratroopers start landing in your lap. It was a pretty cool idea, then the SOF guys decided they wanted a new toy and the project got corrupted.

I do think the PDW concept transfers well to civilians. They make great car and crowd guns AND of course they are just cool
 
Condition1 said:
SBR’s and Braces on a short gun have there place mainly CQB or troops in the rear. A rifle is a lot easier to shot than a pistol and less time to train a soldier to use. That was the main use for the M1 carbine. Cooks, rear Medical anyone that wasn’t on the front lines. If I remember right the Marine’s on the front used them when fighting on the Japanese in the Pacific.
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I knew this as a part of military history. Daddy told me stories. I never understood the "Frozen Cho Sin" stories completely until recently.
  1. Gummed-up M1 Carbine actions due to the extreme cold,
  2. Incomplete/poor propellant combustion (another cold-weather-induced problem).
  3. Improper use of M2 (select-fire) rifles.
The "Advisor" would be handy for in-house use, but the piece would be deafening.
 
PieterCoetzee said:
YEP that was the original idea of the PDW project. A mechanic's rifle leaning "over there" against the tree isnt very useful when Russian paratroopers start landing in your lap. It was a pretty cool idea, then the SOF guys decided they wanted a new toy and the project got corrupted.

I do think the PDW concept transfers well to civilians. They make great car and crowd guns AND of course they are just cool
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I built an AR pistol in 5.56 10.5” barrel but traded it and a SCCY 9mm for a Henry in 45/70. That’s was back when Let’s go Brandon was President. I had around $400 in both of them. PCC’s and PDW’s just don’t interest me. If I’m going to have a rifle it’s going to be in a rifle caliber and enough barrel length to have rifle velocity. I thought we were going to see another Trump slump in prices for guns but not like his first term. I but a lot of guns at really good prices his first term. Maybe I’ll build another one who knows.
 
Captain O said:
I knew this as a part of military history. Daddy told me stories. I never understood the "Frozen Cho Sin" stories completely until recently.
  1. Gummed-up M1 Carbine actions due to the extreme cold,
  2. Incomplete/poor propellant combustion (another cold-weather-induced problem).
  3. Improper use of M2 (select-fire) rifles.
The "Advisor" would be handy for in-house use, but the piece would be deafening.
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That caused a lot of troops their life. Just like the M16 in Vietnam with the ball propellant and no cleaning kits.
 
My retired gunsmith friend told me how the ball propellant fouled up the rifles in Southeast Asia. (He was there). I learned the story secondhand, but watched yet another explanation on YouTube.

The ball propellant was a cluster**** that shouldn't have happened (the DOD was trying to go cheaper on the ammunition. As you said, this costs troops their lives
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I was getting in late and remained stateside, so I wasn't there.
 
Captain O said:
My retired gunsmith friend told me how the ball propellant fouled up the rifles in Southeast Asia. (He was there). I learned the story secondhand, but watched yet another explanation on YouTube.

The ball propellant was a cluster**** that shouldn't have happened (the DOD was trying to go cheaper on the ammunition. As you said, this costs troops their lives
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I was getting in late and remained stateside, so I wasn't there.
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I missed Vietnam buy a couple of years thank God. I went in the Army in 1980 4 years after Nam was officially over. It was still being pushed to clean your weapons throughly. I was a 60 gunner and you want to talk about a nasty weapon. It carried the nickname the pig for a reason.
 
Condition1 said:
I missed Vietnam buy a couple of years thank God. I went in the Army in 1980 4 years after Nam was officially over. It was still being pushed to clean your weapons throughly. I was a 60 gunner and you want to talk about a nasty weapon. It carried the nickname the pig for a reason.
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Hahaha I went in 1980 too, yes I remember the M60. It was a great gun UNTIL it wasnt...

MPs operated in three man teams using the old M151 Jeeps (driver, gunner, and team leader). They said the life expectancy of a gunner was 30 seconds once the shooting started, since he was standing in the open on top of the Jeep. The driver had an M16 and the Team Leader a M203. I LOVED the M203 (when we had actual Go To War ammo for it)
 
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