Anyone carry TWO?
- Thread starter PieterCoetzee
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I know at least one person who carries one or two of these. Regularly. And he doesn't wear suspenders! ;-)
A couple more thoughts on carrying two:
First, I am a firm adherent to the philosophy that I learned from a well-known firearms trainer that, "The only gunfight you really win is the one that you avoid having in the first place." That is not just a platitude to me. I have lived it personally.
Second, IF I knew that I were in for a fight and could not possibly avoid it, my main goal would be to win at any cost. Therefore, if possible, I'd be reaching for a rifle, not a second handgun. However, I cannot imagine any scenario outside of my own home where I, as a non-soldier non-LEO person, would be justifiably engaged in such a manner (with one possible exception) unless there were a breakdown in the rule-of-law (think riots / looting / etc.)
First, I am a firm adherent to the philosophy that I learned from a well-known firearms trainer that, "The only gunfight you really win is the one that you avoid having in the first place." That is not just a platitude to me. I have lived it personally.
Second, IF I knew that I were in for a fight and could not possibly avoid it, my main goal would be to win at any cost. Therefore, if possible, I'd be reaching for a rifle, not a second handgun. However, I cannot imagine any scenario outside of my own home where I, as a non-soldier non-LEO person, would be justifiably engaged in such a manner (with one possible exception) unless there were a breakdown in the rule-of-law (think riots / looting / etc.)
I used to carry a second gun when I was working. I had and still have CZ 82. A 12 round gem firing the 9X18 MM ammunition. Think a slightly hotter .380. I tried it in ankle holster. That didn't work, it felt like a brick when I was walking. It worked alright in a shoulder holster, but it wasn't for warm weather. I settled on a Ruger LCP II and pocket carried it. Now it's a fifteen shot 9 MM of the CZ persuasion or a .45 CZ each with a spare magazine.
Nice pairing.
Yep. That video is a classic. I've read a couple of detailed writeups about the incident and Mr. Harrell did an outstanding job of depicting exactly what went down. The one thing I take away from the whole thing is that one cannot expect a determined assailant to give up the fight just because they've been hit, even if mortally wounded. That was exemplified by BOTH sides in this incident.
Pretty solid proof that one never knows when nor where a miscreant might strike. Col Cooper pointed out that they rely on sudden violence to "blitz" their victim and, to make matters worse, because of their mindset, they almost always get the first blow in.
One thing that has alway struck me as odd is the frequency of the phrase "X went and retrieved his/her gun..." in the NRAs defensive gun usage reports. Really? How much time does one realistically expect to have when a criminal strikes?
PieterCoetzee
Custom
Yep I never once met anyone who ever said they had enough time to go get a gun. You fight with what you have on you.
A side note on "carrying two:" Placement of your second gun is critical. An instructor once pressed this point home to me by having me perform a "lost the strong side, now use your weak hand" drill. While in the midst of that drill, he then commanded me to ground my primary gun (for safety's sake) and draw my backup with my "still functional" weak hand. I couldn't perform that, and the instructor knew it. I'd mentioned my backup carry and he did me the kindness of showing me the flaw to my "plan" in the most tangible way possible. I'm mostly right handed, so my "weak" hand is my left. My backup was in my right front pocket of my blue jeans. Point made, in spades!
That doesn't rule out pocket carry, in my opinion, but one had best be aware of the "cons". In fact, one of the axioms of "deep" concealment is that the better the gun is concealed, the slower and more awkward it is to get it into action. But newbies need to at least be aware of any limitations imposed by their choice of carry methods.
Now, everybody carry on!
That doesn't rule out pocket carry, in my opinion, but one had best be aware of the "cons". In fact, one of the axioms of "deep" concealment is that the better the gun is concealed, the slower and more awkward it is to get it into action. But newbies need to at least be aware of any limitations imposed by their choice of carry methods.
Now, everybody carry on!
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1canvas
Operator
The best ankle holster carry I had found is a Galco Ankle Glove and a Ruger EC9s, I hardly know it’s there.
1canvas
Operator
An ankle holster on the ground worked well in most force on force drills.
Yeah. An ankle holster is an effective way to carry and darned handy if one becomes "grounded" in a struggle. An ankle holster is also a very accessible carry position while seated. Otherwise, the drawback is that one must bend down from a standing position. That might've been easy enough when I was younger. Not so much anymore.
My "ankle holsters" are the tops of my cowboy boots (the genuine kind that fit well, not floppy "dude boots"). I'll often transfer my snub from my pocket to my boot top while driving and back again to my pocket when I dismount.
1canvas
Operator
For me, the ankle holster is for very low risks locations or in prohibited areas like a church, also as a back up gun. It’s an easy reach sitting in a car or restaurant booth. The right gun in the right ankle holster can work great, I had carried a j-frame for decades.
Lately, I have also carried a Glock 26, single stack Shield, and now the Ruger EC9s.
It’s like a good shoulder holster, it’s a great option and I wouldn’t be without either.
Anchorite
Custom
When I was in law school many years ago, one of my classmates worked at a car wash for beer and poker money. He sat at a desk during most of his shift. It was a self-serve carwash, not the full-blown automated ones we have on what seems like every street corner nowadays.
Anyway, I'll just call him, "Bubba."
Bubba really liked his snubby 38 Special. He thought he was so cool wearing it in an ankle holster. He thought he could get to that revolver in the blink of an eye if some joker walked in and tried to stick him up in the office.
Then one night when Bubba went to make the night deposit from all the coins that day, he got mugged.
Guess he couldn't bend over and grab that revolver of his inner left ankle.
To this day, Bubba will only carry OWB, strong-side, at 3 o'clock. And he doesn't work at the car wash or make any late-night deposits anymore either.
I think the only place for an ankle piece is a true, last-ditch piece for when you are on your back.
1canvas
Operator
No clear thinking person would ever make the statement they can draw from an ankle holster in the blink of an eye, not even “Bubba”
.People need to carry what’s appropriate for each situation. If a fast draw is needed, an ankle carry obviously is not a wise choice
.Easy access does not mean quick draw
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Anchorite
Custom
Bubba won't even go near a car wash today!No clear thinking person would ever make the statement they can draw from an ankle holster in the blink of an eye, not even “Bubba”
People need to carry what’s appropriate for each situation. If a fast draw is needed, an ankle carry obviously is not a wise choice
Easy access does not mean quick draw
The Night Rider
Hellcat
Well if you notice in all of these NRA Stories the guy makes it to the gun and back to where the bad guys at in time to get him out of the house.
I expect to have all the time I need.
That's said, I want to clarify that I put my gun on when I put my pants on in the morning.
At Close Of Business. I switch to sweats or pajama bottoms and the gun goes on the coffee table in front of me.
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Just to be clear about my "thought process" regarding "deep concealment": Ankle holsters, pocket carry, "boot tops", whatever, are not intended to provide a faster-than-Marshal-Dillon draw. They are all about making certain that I have at least one gun on my person at all times. Again, "deep concealment" usually (always?) means more awkward, slower access. One can strategize to maximize accessibility according to the situation at hand, as I do when switching my snub from pocket while not seated to my boot top (aka ankle holster) when seated, but my "draw stroke" with said snub can never equal the speed and ease of a draw stroke from a properly positioned holster.
PieterCoetzee
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Ive heard those stories too and I might have known someone who used to keep a rifle (AK) in the truck in case of a Mall Shooter.... then I started thinking about how Id react to seeing a guy running from the parking lot to the mall, after I had just received an active shooter call.
Thats another reason I dont use AKs for anything tactical in public. I love the AK; but sorry no US agency or good guys use AKs. They are still the weapons of bad guys
I carry 2 guns everyday. Front right pocket is my Bodyguard 2.0 Carry Comp. 4:00 IWB is my Glock 48MOS. I carry a backup mag for the BG 2.0, but not for the 48 at this time. However, when I can get ahold of a couple of OEM Glock 15 round mags in the next week or two, I will be carrying one of those in the gun and the other in my pocket.
Joe
Joe