AR-15 question about the safety detent
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last2brake
Master Class
Yeah. I got that part.
Picture in the 'manual' didn't even show the groove in the detents, let alone an end with a point.
I screwed up. I still really like the guns I have from them, but I doubt I'll ever buy another. There's too many other manufacturers that show an interest in competing with better quality.
My pet peeve and my money. They'll be fine without me.
Picture in the 'manual' didn't even show the groove in the detents, let alone an end with a point.
I screwed up. I still really like the guns I have from them, but I doubt I'll ever buy another. There's too many other manufacturers that show an interest in competing with better quality.
My pet peeve and my money. They'll be fine without me.
Bassbob
Emissary
There are certainly better guns to be bought or built at or near the same price point.
Belt Fed
Ronin
OK here goes, first off you can't blame a manufacture of a gun cause YOU lost the detent, You can't blame them cause some guy bought the wrong one.
Most guns now don't even come with manuals, you have to print your own off their website. Probably 70% of people who buy AR's will never take the grip off to lose a detent and very few will take the buffer tube off to lose the takedown detent.
If i condemned a manufacture cause of a bad schematic in a manual for a part that most never remove i would not own many guns at all. The manuals are meant to show you how to operate and maintenance of your rifle, not to rebuild or replace parts. There are plenty of manuals for that sort of thing.
When you start replacing parts that the manufacture does not cover in a manual you can't blame them, do you blame a car manufacture when you replace a water pump and it's not in the manual on how to do it?
Now you did learn something about detents and the next one you mess with you will know what to do. I never even look at a manual on a AR or most any other gun. just from years of learning about them. but i certainly won't blame the manufacture if i take it apart and can't get it back together.
But you are correct, it is your money and you can do what you want.
Warrior9(Ret)
Professional
When I went to the Small Arms Repair course we were taught how to completely disassemble the M16. I mean everything. Gas tube and barrel removal, lower receiver, etc.
Those little springs and detects were a pain at first. I learned patience and don’t force anything. The manuals we use were very detailed.
Not all aftermarket parts are created equal and the “Drop-in” market is the worst.
Belt Fed
Ronin
But...they were teaching you how to build one, a manual that comes with a gun is not for that. it's for showing how to operate it and cleaning.
last2brake
Master Class
You guys are saying exactly what I thought I ssid, which makes you absolutely right.
Like I said, I'm not the person who moved the gun.
Like I said last year the almost the day I bought the gun, Springfield's "manuals" "illustrations were horribly lacking compared to to the competition's. Go into this website, and look at the parts diagram (https://support.springfield-armory....SeIZulhHVEbwEG4v&topic=70bzs47Wz9a808723lDD5g) and look at the detents (#11 and #26).
I didn't choose the detents. They were given to me. Now look at the pictures and tell me, out of the two grains of rice, which one has a pointed end. Pretend you don't know from the diagram which one is which
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All I'm saying is that, months ago, I complained about the comparative quality of all my other guns compared to Springfield's poor quality. I got flamed for it it here. And, of course, just as I suspected, it turned out to bite someone in the ***, and it was me.
Now, some of the "experts" who said, "Get over it. It's the new way to save money and it'll never be a problem" are conspicuously absent. And, guess what- it WAS a problem.
Sure it's my fault. I GET THAT. I've said it several times.
But it doesn't change the fact that not only could it have been better. It should be.
It was good experience for when I build my own, so I'll take that as a positive.
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Like I said, I'm not the person who moved the gun.
Like I said last year the almost the day I bought the gun, Springfield's "manuals" "illustrations were horribly lacking compared to to the competition's. Go into this website, and look at the parts diagram (https://support.springfield-armory....SeIZulhHVEbwEG4v&topic=70bzs47Wz9a808723lDD5g) and look at the detents (#11 and #26).
I didn't choose the detents. They were given to me. Now look at the pictures and tell me, out of the two grains of rice, which one has a pointed end. Pretend you don't know from the diagram which one is which
..
All I'm saying is that, months ago, I complained about the comparative quality of all my other guns compared to Springfield's poor quality. I got flamed for it it here. And, of course, just as I suspected, it turned out to bite someone in the ***, and it was me.
Now, some of the "experts" who said, "Get over it. It's the new way to save money and it'll never be a problem" are conspicuously absent. And, guess what- it WAS a problem.
Sure it's my fault. I GET THAT. I've said it several times.
But it doesn't change the fact that not only could it have been better. It should be.
It was good experience for when I build my own, so I'll take that as a positive.
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Warrior9(Ret)
Professional
Yep, they were technical manuals. They are for people who are school trained to perform detailed maintenance. We didn’t just learn about the M16. The classes covered M1911A1, M203, M60, and M2.
However, the course didn’t cover modifications. That was strictly forbidden.
We learned to be the next level Maintainers, not Gunsmiths