Hello all, here is today's article posted on TheArmoryLife.com. It is titled “Ayoob: Was the 10mm Destined to Fail?” and can be found at https://www.thearmorylife.com/ayoob-was-the-10mm-destined-to-fail/.
Ayoob: Was the 10mm Destined to Fail?
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Talyn
Emissary
No, it wasn't destined to fail since suitable pistols were finally developed to handle it.
What's MIA in this article is that the early firearms chambered in the 10mm couldn't handle the full-power loads vs. the "police loads". Yes, it mentions the Bren 10 frames cracking but so did the early 1911's like the Colt Deltas.
What "saved" the 10mm was the Glock 20, which the article should have mentioned but this is a SA website.
Like the other "poly" pistols the heavy mass of weight is in the slide to tame things down, like the future XDm line and others.
Since, manufacturers figured out how to make the "heavy" 10mm loads to run in the 1911's, but the "best" 10mm pistols are still the various poly (aka striker-fired) ones as above.
Too bad SA discontinued the XDm 5.25 (in the article pics) since it was/is pretty close to being the perfect "woods" 10mm, like mine is.
My .02
BTW - Other fine cartridges haven't been successful due to the lack of suitable platforms.
What's MIA in this article is that the early firearms chambered in the 10mm couldn't handle the full-power loads vs. the "police loads". Yes, it mentions the Bren 10 frames cracking but so did the early 1911's like the Colt Deltas.
What "saved" the 10mm was the Glock 20, which the article should have mentioned but this is a SA website.
Like the other "poly" pistols the heavy mass of weight is in the slide to tame things down, like the future XDm line and others.
Since, manufacturers figured out how to make the "heavy" 10mm loads to run in the 1911's, but the "best" 10mm pistols are still the various poly (aka striker-fired) ones as above.
Too bad SA discontinued the XDm 5.25 (in the article pics) since it was/is pretty close to being the perfect "woods" 10mm, like mine is.
My .02
BTW - Other fine cartridges haven't been successful due to the lack of suitable platforms.
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Annihilator
Hellion
Another Ayoob conspiracy theory…….
DocSkinner
Alpha
THANK YOU! MAYBE (but I doubt it...) people will listen to you: "the incorrect perception that the 10mm is equal to the .41 Magnum. With both cartridges loaded to full ballistic potential, the .41 Magnum will always exceed the 10mm Auto."
As a 41 fan I get really tired of having to correct people on this!
Yes, the 10mm is a useful and great cartridge on its own, and basically what a .41 Special SHOULD have been, if they had been smart enough to introduce both. The public does not like "downloaded" cartridges. Why both the 10mm lite and .41 mag lite loads never took hold, and really killed the cartridges' desirability. Starline makes .41 Special brass, but no firearm manufacturers do.
Still wonder if those revolvers that have to go to 5 shot cylinders in .44 Special would be able to stay at 6 chambers in .41 special.
As a 41 fan I get really tired of having to correct people on this!
Yes, the 10mm is a useful and great cartridge on its own, and basically what a .41 Special SHOULD have been, if they had been smart enough to introduce both. The public does not like "downloaded" cartridges. Why both the 10mm lite and .41 mag lite loads never took hold, and really killed the cartridges' desirability. Starline makes .41 Special brass, but no firearm manufacturers do.
Still wonder if those revolvers that have to go to 5 shot cylinders in .44 Special would be able to stay at 6 chambers in .41 special.
Jsimon78
Professional
Even the Glocks had issues with it.
DocSkinner
Alpha
You didn't read the article, did you?
If you’re anything like me, you watch videos of police unloading an entire mag of 9mm on an attacker and realize you need something more. I also frequent the forest with my children where mountain lions exist.
So I picked up an XDM 10mm compact. I have big hands so I’d carry it with the 15 round mag that extends the grip to a full sized.
I practice a good deal with my EDCs. But 10mm took a bit more getting used to. I had to learn not to over squeeze the grip on 9mm and found myself not squeezing enough with the 10mm. It’s a delicate trade off. Recoil management increases follow-up time but reduces accuracy of shot placement.
I also had the issue of all the accessories exploding off the firearm. I can’t tell you how many optics I went through because they all lost zero after 1 magazine. Several didn’t even last 1 shot. The primary arms ACSS won. After a thousand rounds I haven’t needed to re-zero.
I had to use stronger loc-tite for iron sights. I had weapons lights internal blow outs.
But the XDM always ran flawlessly.
That said, I think for most people 10mm is a better PCC. But if you’ve got strong hands and wrists 10mm is a good EDC round if you have the right ammo and don’t mind spending tons of money training with it.
I ultimately found that Magtech made close to full power ammo that was “affordable” but still a good deal more expensive than 9mm practice ammo. Do not buy sellier. Maybe the boxes I purchased from the range were a fluke but I had at last 3-4 round split at the muzzle; one shot 30 degrees to the left of my point of aim and hitting two steel targets at once. Even at the range that’s a huge liability let alone in the wild as an EDC.
I watched a good deal of tools and targets to find the right round for carry to prevent over penetration and maximum expansion and wilderness loads where over penetration is not as much of a concern.
So I picked up an XDM 10mm compact. I have big hands so I’d carry it with the 15 round mag that extends the grip to a full sized.
I practice a good deal with my EDCs. But 10mm took a bit more getting used to. I had to learn not to over squeeze the grip on 9mm and found myself not squeezing enough with the 10mm. It’s a delicate trade off. Recoil management increases follow-up time but reduces accuracy of shot placement.
I also had the issue of all the accessories exploding off the firearm. I can’t tell you how many optics I went through because they all lost zero after 1 magazine. Several didn’t even last 1 shot. The primary arms ACSS won. After a thousand rounds I haven’t needed to re-zero.
I had to use stronger loc-tite for iron sights. I had weapons lights internal blow outs.
But the XDM always ran flawlessly.
That said, I think for most people 10mm is a better PCC. But if you’ve got strong hands and wrists 10mm is a good EDC round if you have the right ammo and don’t mind spending tons of money training with it.
I ultimately found that Magtech made close to full power ammo that was “affordable” but still a good deal more expensive than 9mm practice ammo. Do not buy sellier. Maybe the boxes I purchased from the range were a fluke but I had at last 3-4 round split at the muzzle; one shot 30 degrees to the left of my point of aim and hitting two steel targets at once. Even at the range that’s a huge liability let alone in the wild as an EDC.
I watched a good deal of tools and targets to find the right round for carry to prevent over penetration and maximum expansion and wilderness loads where over penetration is not as much of a concern.
Annihilator
Hellion
Yes, don’t care for most of his rambling’s
Annihilator
Hellion
There is also a 500 special round for those who don’t want/like to use full house 500 mag ammo…..
The .500 S&W Special - American Handgunner
It is a brutal recoiling cartridge, yet it is manageable to a point in the Model 500 S&W revolver, weighing in excess of four pounds. I can’t even fathom what it would be like shooting this cartridge in a “normal” 2 1/2-pound sixgun.
americanhandgunner.com
Talyn
Emissary
I was a very early adopter of the G20 and have never had a problem with it.
Annihilator
Hellion
The G29 is a handful with the more potent loads.
Some know about destined to fail or more like bad timing. As they made it about the 10mm and not going back to a 45 which they had available..
Factor in the S&W 1076 was a way to big gun for general across the border issue
As for power levels really no different than years ago they approved 357 wheelguns but ran 38 most times. Which still running 10mm lite in a 1076 you still have a large handgun that’s an anvil to lug around
Factor in the S&W 1076 was a way to big gun for general across the border issue
As for power levels really no different than years ago they approved 357 wheelguns but ran 38 most times. Which still running 10mm lite in a 1076 you still have a large handgun that’s an anvil to lug around