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Beretta sighting issues...??

Old_Me

Old_Me

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i posted in the..."what are you doing now" thread, about an issue i am having getting either of my Beretta 92 FS, to get on target for good hits at or near center.

so i had to google my issue, and here is what is said...which i really did not know....
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Beretta 92's use a combat sight picture like image #3 below. If you weren't using that hold, that would explain it.




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i have been today and in the past, trying to hit the target at either #1 or # 2, not #3....

today however, i had tried raising only the front sight above the rear to get close to center of target.

on another search, it was said that:

the Beretta is a combat gun, ao a combat hold works best? (#3)


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Old_Me said:
i posted in the..."what are you doing now" thread, about an issue i am having getting either of my Beretta 92 FS, to get on target for good hits at or near center.

so i had to google my issue, and here is what is said...which i really did not know....
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Beretta 92's use a combat sight picture like image #3 below. If you weren't using that hold, that would explain it.




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i have been today and in the past, trying to hit the target at either #1 or # 2, not #3....

today however, i had tried raising only the front sight above the rear to get close to center of target.

on another search, it was said that:

the Beretta is a combat gun, ao a combat hold works best? (#3)


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Mumbo jumbo, I shoot Beretta’s like any other gun, had 3 92FS’s. There not a target gun whatsoever, I used the hold in pic A, need to post targets to see what your referring to
 
Annihilator said:
Mumbo jumbo, I shoot Beretta’s like any other gun, had 3 92FS’s. There not a target gun whatsoever, I used the hold in pic A, need to post targets to see what your referring to
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well, because i was disappointed in my shooting, i threw away the targets.....

maybe if i think about it, i can go trash diving tomorrow morning and retrieve them, unless someone empties out that trash barrel.



however, next week i will take the black 92 FS, and give that one a try.

but yes, i held the sights as i would my 1911's, revolvers, and all my other guns, and........nope....

when i held the front sight above the level point of the rear..???

i did much better....as in #3...but the gun was not level, the front sight was higher, covering the red circle.
 
Old_Me said:
well, because i was disappointed in my shooting, i threw away the targets.....

maybe if i think about it, i can go trash diving tomorrow morning and retrieve them, unless someone empties out that trash barrel.



however, next week i will take the black 92 FS, and give that one a try.

but yes, i held the sights as i would my 1911's, revolvers, and all my other guns, and........nope....

when i held the front sight above the level point of the rear..???

i did much better....as in #3...but the gun was not level, the front sight was higher, covering the red circle.
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Factory or reloads? Not every gun will shoot the same with the same reloads as others.
 
Old_Me said:
i posted in the..."what are you doing now" thread, about an issue i am having getting either of my Beretta 92 FS, to get on target for good hits at or near center.

so i had to google my issue, and here is what is said...which i really did not know....
____________________________________________________________________________

Beretta 92's use a combat sight picture like image #3 below. If you weren't using that hold, that would explain it.




View attachment 92833

i have been today and in the past, trying to hit the target at either #1 or # 2, not #3....

today however, i had tried raising only the front sight above the rear to get close to center of target.

on another search, it was said that:

the Beretta is a combat gun, ao a combat hold works best? (#3)


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I have a 92. I run Federal 124 grain HST JHP ammo in it and typically use sight picture A without any issue.
 
Model 457 said:
I have a 92. I run Federal 124 grain HST JHP ammo in it and typically use sight picture A without any issue.
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i always had an issue with both Beretta's.....

ok, i stopped posting this, then went out

stopped at the club, and got my 2 targets

no way of knowing reloads or factory ammo, as i did not make note of it.

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compare those to this pic, specs on target...


you see the grouping..??? i had no issues, with the sights, (target below) compared to the Beretta, S.S. made in USA

next week, i will take the Italy made 92 FS. for comparison....but that one too, i have issues with the sights.

that's why i did some quick googling, and it was said the Beretta's are "combat sights", and as such as in the diagrams should be pointed the way Beretta suggests, either 2(B) or 3 (c)...which i never knew Beretta's were "combat guns", or had "combat sights"...so all this time owning them, i was using the sights wrong..????

my Sig P-320..no issues with my hold, grip, sighting the target


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Old_Me said:
i always had an issue with both Beretta's.....

ok, i stopped posting this, then went out

stopped at the club, and got my 2 targets

no way of knowing reloads or factory ammo, as i did not make note of it.

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compare those to this pic, specs on target...


you see the grouping..??? i had no issues, with the sights, (target below) compared to the Beretta, S.S. made in USA

next week, i will take the Italy made 92 FS. for comparison....but that one too, i have issues with the sights.

that's why i did some quick googling, and it was said the Beretta's are "combat sights", and as such as in the diagrams should be pointed the way Beretta suggests, either 2(B) or 3 (c)...which i never knew Beretta's were "combat guns", or had "combat sights"...so all this time owning them, i was using the sights wrong..????

my Sig P-320..no issues with my hold, grip, sighting the target


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I certainly am no expert. But maybe it isn't the sights. I've owned pistols that just won't shoot for me while a friend can pick it up and chew the center out of the target. Maybe the P-320 just feels more natural in your hand or something. Aside from confidently saying I don't have the same challenge with my 92F, I have had a similar experience with certain Ruger models. All of that being said, in my guestimation, perhaps you and your 92FS are simply incompatible.
 
Model 457 said:
I certainly am no expert. But maybe it isn't the sights. I've owned pistols that just won't shoot for me while a friend can pick it up and chew the center out of the target. Maybe the P-320 just feels more natural in your hand or something. Aside from confidently saying I don't have the same challenge with my 92F, I have had a similar experience with certain Ruger models. All of that being said, in my guestimation, perhaps you and your 92FS are simply incompatible.
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both Beretta's came with factory rubber grips..i changed them out for Beretta thin rubber grips, giving me a much better hand hold.

the original rubber grips were "too wide" to me.

however, gripping is still wide, compared to any other gun i own...1911's, Glocks, revolvers and other 9mm's.....and it is surprising that i have a G-30 Glock, double stack 45 ACP magazine, and surprisingly, the grip hold on that gun, is still "thinner" than the Beretta's.

i will not bench rest to shoot the gun as mentioned earlier, i prefer to stand, and in fact, i NEVER bench rest any gun.

so that is out of the question.

i will try targets B and C next week

the Sig P- 320, has a Wilson frame and that fits super in my hand...someone here mentioned switching out frames, for more comfort, a nd grip hold, and it is.
 
SteveInConverse said:
o to the range and bench shoot the gun from about 10 yards, using each of the holds described. See where your shots land. Ensure you are using defensive ammo for your tests as their ballistics can vary greatly from target ammo.
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Steve is right on the money about shooting a new gun or old gun you bought from a bench rest and if you can get someone else to shoot it also. It shows what the gun can do. My sig m11-a1 and my fs-92 have combat sights and it takes a bit to get used to. I'm more used to the 6 oclock hold on rifles and pistols where the POI is just a tad over front sight. Also it helps some people to shoot at a white piece of paper with a red or black stick on circle on the target.its easier to concentrate on the lil circle against a white back ground. Long time ago i got a tripod that you place a camera on to take pics. Was fully adjustable and i screw down a board on top and place a sand bag on top. i had it adjusted to my height where i was standing up straight just like if i was shooting off hand. the pistol was just making enuff contact to hold the sights steady and to shoot a nice group then i would raise the gun up just off the rest and shoot and the group would open up. After a few range trips i got better and better and relized that when i was standing shooting off the rest, and not leaning on it just resting the gun on it i was useing the same muscles as if i was shooting off hand. Some times it just mind games. JMHO...........its what works for me
 
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FMJ said:
Steve is right on the money about shooting a new gun or old gun you bought from a bench rest and if you can get someone else to shoot it also. It shows what the gun can do. My sig m11-a1 and my fs-92 have combat sights and it takes a bit to get used to. I'm more used to the 6 oclock hold on rifles and pistols where the POI is just a tad over front sight. Also it helps some people to shoot at a white piece of paper with a red or black stick on circle on the target.its easier to concentrate on the lil circle against a white back ground. Long time ago i got a tripod that you place a camera on to take pics. Was fully adjustable and i screw down a board on top and place a sand bag on top. i had it adjusted to my height where i was standing up straight just like if i was shooting off hand. the pistol was just making enuff contact to hold the sights steady and to shoot a nice group then i would raise the gun up just off the rest and shoot and the group would open up. After a few range trips i got better and better and relized that when i was standing shooting off the rest, and not leaning on it just resting the gun on it i was useing the same muscles as if i was shooting off hand. Some times it just mind games. JMHO
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i might have some "sticky dots" in my bag, i will try that..thanks.

i also "have to" lean on the bench a tad, due to several major back operations, and i cannot stand steady...yet, all my other targets, i can nearly blow out the center...just not the Beretta's
 
Another thing i tried and it worked with the 92 is i cut small strips of black tape and made the front sight wider so their aint such a problem trying to center up the front sight in the rear sight. Also a guy told me to file down the front sight to raise the POI and that .020" is lil over 2" @ 25 yards and really you don't even notice it being filed down. Soooo being you have 2 92's try it on 1 an let me know. lol
 
FMJ said:
The remington range 124 gr. group real good in my 92 as do the 124gr. belom
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well i reload 115 grain....and when i buy new ammo, it is what's on sale.....somes 115, sometime 124, very rarely 147.

it is not a self defense gun, but the range gun.
 
I know I’m throwing this in as a theory. Could the hand angle on the beretta be different than what you’re used too. I know going in between guns does different things for me. Since I put several thousand rounds through my CZ P10C, it has that go to feeling to it even if I haven’t shot it in months (I’m happy with it for not been optics ready). Now both of my M&P’s have optics on them. It took me a while before I got confident on saying “it’s homed in” but still needs work.

Basically what I’m trying to say is get range time with the 92. You’re not the only one that is trying to get better. I’m having issues with my Glock G23 Gen5. I take it out and practice almost every weekend. Personally I like it but I don’t.

All honestly I never done a 92 but it does look something different on the slide. I’d imagine that could be throwing you off.
 
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