Can you make the shot?

[KillerFord1977]

I have this one @KillerFord1977 and I shot yesterday. He had a mini stroke or something right in the middle of the session and decided to start flinging shots everywhere - mumbled something about a bad sight - but I think it’ll do the job.

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[BassCliff]

Hi,

Sure, we'll practice that drill occasionally.

We'll shout at the target, to draw the perp's attention away from the hostage. I sometimes yell, "Hey buddy! Do you know Jesus?!?!" before he gets three to the face.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

 

[Belt Fed]

I have this one @KillerFord1977 and I shot yesterday. He had a mini stroke or something right in the middle of the session and decided to start flinging shots everywhere - mumbled something about a bad sight - but I think it’ll do the job.

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Awesome, i can cut that and make five different targets for five different days.

 

[PieterCoetzee]

shout at the target, to draw the perp's attention away from the hostage. I sometimes yell, "Hey buddy! Do you know Jesus?!?!" before he gets three to the face.

LOVE IT!

I wish I had thought of that when I was still working. It would have given my bosses a coronary. As it was I shouted DIE DIE DIE on a active shooter drill. One Shot one DIE for each step I took as I entered the room "killing" the target. The same sergeant that said my head shots didnt look good, didnt like the DIE DIE DIE, I told him "I was just visualizing the outcome, It was a zen thing"

 

[SimonRL]

I once yelled “Die MFer!” On a scoot and shoot drill and then got told by the instructor that I’d shot a lady with a baby in the face 3 times. I thought she was holding a little person hostage.

 

[BassCliff]

Hi,

I once yelled “Die MFer!” On a scoot and shoot drill and then got told by the instructor that I’d shot a lady with a baby in the face 3 times. I thought she was holding a little person hostage.

Oops.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

 

[RedGoat]

You're completely correct in your outlook. If someone dares to try and use one of my loved ones as a human shield, they will very likely find out that was a bad mistake. The cry by a prosecutor that "You shot them in the face! Why?" will evoke my response, "I shot them in the only vulnerable target area that they presented."

Also, as noted by others, in this day and age, body armor is commonplace, so one may have no choice but to shoot above or below the armored torso.

One must practice, know the limits of how far away you can make such a shot, and beware of any "mechanical offset" issues if shooting an AR or other firearm with a sighting system that is significantly above bore height. Once you can hit an area about the size of a 3x5 index card at a given distance, work on increasing your distance. Also, if possible, add a little motion of the target to the mix. In real life, a person's head is the one part of the body that is most likely to be moving around.

 

[HayesGreener]

You're completely correct in your outlook. If someone dares to try and use one of my loved ones as a human shield, they will very likely find out that was a bad mistake. The cry by a prosecutor that "You shot them in the face! Why?" will evoke my response, "I shot them in the only vulnerable target area that they presented."

Also, as noted by others, in this day and age, body armor is commonplace, so one may have no choice but to shoot above or below the armored torso.

One must practice, know the limits of how far away you can make such a shot, and beware of any "mechanical offset" issues if shooting an AR or other firearm with a sighting system that is significantly above bore height. Once you can hit an area about the size of a 3x5 index card at a given distance, work on increasing your distance. Also, if possible, add a little motion of the target to the mix. In real life, a person's head is the one part of the body that is most likely to be moving around.

Good training plan

 

[mikep]

Lets just say an AP5p right out of the box had iron sights that were off 6”
Hold under was KY windage… but it’ll work

And you had too much coffee, or too little coffee, or you were hypoglycemic, or hyperglycemic, or the sun was in your eyes, or the guy in the other port was shooting your target…

 

[PieterCoetzee]

The cry by a prosecutor that "You shot them in the face!

Will likely be followed by "And you cut off his ear!"
"Yes sir I did. He was going to kill my wife, 'so forget him'. Hes dead, shes not so I commemorated the event ..."

 

[Belt Fed]

"And you cut of his ear!"

U left off an f there occifer.

 

[PieterCoetzee]

U left off an f there occifer.

fixed it

 

[Belt Fed]

fixed it

Yer good this time, just don't ever let it happen again mister Coetzee

 

[KillerFord1977]

Depends. If the hostage is my MIL, well, … uhh… hmm…

I plead the fifth on rounds

 

[mikep]

Yer good this time, just don't ever let it happen again mister Coetzee

Ooo… Feisty.

 

[Onewolf426]

We have run the precision shot drill many times. I incorporated the drill into my courses. Saving a hostage may have one option. It is also important for every shooter to know their capabilities and limitations. One shot precision drills give you immediate feedback of your skill level and can be humbling. It may show you the shot you should not try. I like 1-shot drills from the ready, in one second, it gets the blood pumping. Practice atcontact range, then 3 yards, then move back to 5 and 7. It is a perishable skill that you need to practice often for proficiency.

Don't do this

Only if it is the ex.......

 

[kcruisin]

I try to stay proficient and use small targets at a good distance. BUT...
Remember the objective is to "Stop the Threat", not to kill anyone.
If I were to make a head shot, unless it was unavoidable, I hope I'd be able to convince the DA that my target was lower.

I recently renewed a Guard license and we used silhouette targets.
The bullseye was small, centermass. The instructor told us headshots counted zero and consecutive headshots could get us disqualified.