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Choose Your Weapon, Wisely

i came out of a restroom in a restaurant to see 2 men with handguns pointing at each other. I was armed but had zero idea who was the "bad guy". they both lowered their weapons as i was backing into the hallway, while reaching for my .40.
turns out one guy was just being seated and allowed his firearm to fall on the floor. the clattering made the other look over to see a guy frantically whipping up a handgun. the seated gentleman was with his grand kids and "active shooter was all that went through his mind, so he jumped up and drew at the same time. this was the moment i came out of the restroom. both of them froze long enough for the first guy to mumble " i dropped it, sorry about that". they both looked over atme with my shirt in my hand pulled up. we had a long conversation after everyone reholstered. Never assume the guy with the gun is the bad guy. we all were micro seconds from a very tragic mistake.
small missouri town, no one called the police. that same incident in a city may have been costly
 
mrme said:
i came out of a restroom in a restaurant to see 2 men with handguns pointing at each other. I was armed but had zero idea who was the "bad guy". they both lowered their weapons as i was backing into the hallway, while reaching for my .40.
turns out one guy was just being seated and allowed his firearm to fall on the floor. the clattering made the other look over to see a guy frantically whipping up a handgun. the seated gentleman was with his grand kids and "active shooter was all that went through his mind, so he jumped up and drew at the same time. this was the moment i came out of the restroom. both of them froze long enough for the first guy to mumble " i dropped it, sorry about that". they both looked over atme with my shirt in my hand pulled up. we had a long conversation after everyone reholstered. Never assume the guy with the gun is the bad guy. we all were micro seconds from a very tragic mistake.
small missouri town, no one called the police. that same incident in a city may have been costly
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I got this out of the article. Just because you perceive yourself to be legal there’s often times more to it!

Lots of cases ifnLEOs not shootjng when they are legally allowed to. A lot of folks zero on on the sample photo with the machete…well yeah presuming the scenario is there….:what happened before it hit there did you just stand there? Was there other situations that had your attention and you turned around to an obvious attack……or use enough physical or less lethal force (OC) and it gets shut down and you don’t have to shoot OR your legal but rule 4 issues behind and you can’t shoot.

There’s no cut and dry yes of nobly people want to look at a pic and say shoulda would coulda!
 
Boxlock said:
At 77 yrs old and with a physical ailment if I were presented with a situation as depicted I’m using my firearm! I am too old and impaired to run or fight but I can point a firearm accurately and pull the trigger.
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I'm 63 and handicapped as well. There's no run in this body, but I'll fight like my life depends on it. I don't start fights, but will damn sure finish one if it's in my power.
 
Dchiefransom said:
Unfortunately, even in a situation like the one shown in the picture, there seem to be many that think using a firearm is wrong.
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I kind of don't care what they think.

I told the story before just a couple weeks ago. My National Guard Unit was so far down on the deployment list I don't think they got to Iraq the war started in 2003 I don't think they got to Iraq till like 2008. The entire unit was a Jug Flop.

Anyway, there was a guy in the unit who I was tasked with coaching on the M16 range. I don't think that guy could hit the ground with a rock. I thank God I only had to coach him to the Zero process.

Anyway, when I pointed out to the guy that his Marksmanship skills (and I use that term very loosely) left quite a bit to be desired,

He responded by telling me that he didn't care for M16 that his preferred weapon was a Bo Staff. I reminded him that his adversaries would be would be using AK-47s and asked him how he thought that might play out.
 
The Night Rider said:
I kind of don't care what they think.

I told the story before just a couple weeks ago. My National Guard Unit was so far down on the deployment list I don't think they got to Iraq the war started in 2003 I don't think they got to Iraq till like 2008. The entire unit was a Jug Flop.

Anyway, there was a guy in the unit who I was tasked with coaching on the M16 range. I don't think that guy could hit the ground with a rock. I thank God I only had to coach him to the Zero process.

Anyway, when I pointed out to the guy that his Marksmanship skills (and I use that term very loosely) left quite a bit to be desired,

He responded by telling me that he didn't care for M16 that his preferred weapon was a Bo Staff. I reminded him that his adversaries would be would be using AK-47s and asked him how he thought that might play out.
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In his case it was a bow staff in most others it’s their handgun brand X they think will ward evil off. Sadly they don’t know that is 100% the case

I ran into the same issue with some on the LE side that struggled with a handgun. But they’d say “if I just had my rifle” well that’s nice but we don’t carry rifles around in most cases so it’s up to you to get better because if I’m with you I’m concentrating on what I’m doing!
 
Shibadog said:
If someone’s not competent with a weapon in a field where a weapon is required, methinks they should be looking for another income source—LE or military that can’t master their issue weapon are living on borrowed time.
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“If someone’s not competent with a (tool required) in a field where (aforementioned tool) is required…etc, etc, ad nauseum…”

Doesn’t matter what the job is; weapons/firearms are nothing special.

If you can’t use the tools you have to do the job required, you should pursue another line of employment.

Dot. Period. End of story.
 
Shibadog said:
If someone’s not competent with a weapon in a field where a weapon is required, methinks they should be looking for another income source—LE or military that can’t master their issue weapon are living on borrowed time.
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It doesn’t matter wether direarms standards in LE tonyiu name it in any other field most places have relaxed their standards the last 30 years.

Either an attempt to recruit more folks to keeping current folks happy. In the case of LE and Firearms I can speak on as I was an instructor with both Gederal LE Trainjng Center and as a state academy certified instructor taht has taught there.

LE had a 10/80/10 breakdown. Too 10 folks that train in their own and practice 80 is the bulk of LEOs and while a few are up towards the to 10 in scores the bulk are your folks that barely qual and think they are good til next year and don’t like being there.

The bottom 10 are your every year reshoots that complain enough to the union and bosses the agency ease up the qualification requirement. Even the Federal Air Marshals eased up their course but a LARGE amount of agencies have eased up their courses.

Private sector has similar issues.
 
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