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church attacked in minnesota over ice???

Ozarker said:
more incidents tied to right‑wing extremists and those attacks have been more frequent and deadlier than left‑wing political violence
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More attacks-WHEN? Over what period was that data collected? Where? Who compiled the data?

I think thats skewed data with a political tilt. How many rightwing participated in "the mostly peaceful" protests (errr RIOTS) during the "Summer of Love"; as we we left our windows open to smell the burning tyres...

I had a precinct commander that didnt want us reporting Burglaries because they upset the public; so we had to write two reports (destruction of property and theft). Bosses want to stay bosses and politics will always show.

In the old Soviet Union there were two news papers. One was named TRUTH and the other NEWS. The joke was theres no news in TRUTH and no truth in NEWS. All information is skewed, even on scene personal reports. We all see things through our preconceptions.

I dont doubt there has been violence from the right; but the left has learned how to be equally violent.
 
Lol the last 6 mass shootings been trans lefties and blm and antifa burnt down cities lefties are delusional . We had 2 assassination attempts on trump and Charlie kirk was assassinated... fk the left straight up. Pedo people having gay drag queen shows for elementary kids wtf us wrong with you?
 
Considering the number of Church shootings perhaps the MN state/local & Federal politicians, and a few folks here that think it was OK for those dirt-bags to break into that church, they could have had firearms with the intent to shoot up the place.

There's a BIG difference between LEOs enforcing settled law vs. the general public/a gang breaking into private property, which Churches are.
 
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PieterCoetzee said:
More attacks-WHEN? Over what period was that data collected? Where? Who compiled the data?

I think thats skewed data with a political tilt. How many rightwing participated in "the mostly peaceful" protests (errr RIOTS) during the "Summer of Love"; as we we left our windows open to smell the burning tyres...

I had a precinct commander that didnt want us reporting Burglaries because they upset the public; so we had to write two reports (destruction of property and theft). Bosses want to stay bosses and politics will always show.

In the old Soviet Union there were two news papers. One was named TRUTH and the other NEWS. The joke was theres no news in TRUTH and no truth in NEWS. All information is skewed, even on scene personal reports. We all see things through our preconceptions.

I dont doubt there has been violence from the right; but the left has learned how to be equally violent.
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over the past ten years, I thought that was copied in that report.

www.csis.org

Left-Wing Terrorism and Political Violence in the United States: What the Data Tells Us

The Warfare, Irregular Threats, and Terrorism Program examines the state of political violence, finding left-wing violence has risen in the last decade but from very low levels and still well below historic levels of violence by right-wing and jihadist actors.
www.csis.org www.csis.org

I guess the next move is to attack the source, it's customary and what Putin would do.

over the past 20 years our news media has been propagandized by political owners and operators. FOX began before that and began as a legitimate news reporting source and slowly turn the screws, one couldn't really recognize the polarity, then, in the end, they had to claim in court that they were not a news show but entertainment. Brainwashing is a slow process, over time it can shift attitudes, moral convictions and reasoning. Others have joined in to the media game and it seems, regardless of how bazar comments might be, there is always an audience to one side or the other. It's getting harder to just be centered and staying in reality.
 
Talyn said:
Considering the number of Church shootings perhaps the MN state/local & Federal politicians, and a few folks here that think it was OK for those dirt-bags that broke into that church they could have firearms with the intent to shoot up the place.

There's a BIG difference between LEOs enforcing settled law vs. the general public/a gang breaking into private property, which Churches are.
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So, they broke in, past locked doors? I thought they just walked in through open doors like everyone else in there.
 
Ozarker said:
I guess the next move is to attack the source, it's customary and what Putin would do.
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Attack the source... Of course. EVERY source should be questioned. CNN or FOX, or an eyewitness, as I said we all come to decisions from our own history and perspectives.

But the "what Putin would do" is a nice attempt to label, sadly it didnt work and shows a weakness in the argument. Its akin to asking if they are still beating their wife. Sorry it didnt work
Ozarker said:
So, they broke in, past locked doors?
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Burglary DOESNT require locked or even closed doors. What it does require is INTENT, and they certainly showed that
 
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Breaking and entering is defined as the entering of a building through force without authorization. The slightest force including pushing open a door is all that is necessary. Breaking also includes entering a building through fraud, threats, or collusion. To constitute entering, it is sufficient if any part of the accused’s body is introduced within a building. It is not considered breaking and entering if the premises are at the time open to the public or the person is licensed or privileged to enter.

In common law, burglary is defined as the breaking and entering of the dwelling house of another in the nighttime with the intent to commit a felony. If there is no such intent to commit a felony, the breaking and entering may constitute illegal trespass.

Many states no longer require the element of breaking to be guilty of burglary or illegal trespass.

For example:
  • In New York, a “person is guilty of burglary in the third degree when [they] knowingly enter or remain unlawfully in a building with intent to commit a crime therein.”
  • In Michigan, “any person who breaks and enters or enters without breaking, any dwelling, house, … or any other structure, whether occupied or unoccupied, without first obtaining permission to enter from the owner … is guilty of a misdemeanor.”

www.law.cornell.edu

breaking and entering

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu

That whole gang, including D. Lemon, should have been arrested but MN authorities only arrest their LEOs.

Plus, that Church's security was a major fail.
 
PieterCoetzee said:
The sad thing is I can remember a time when both sides could talk. even if they disagreed; but today that seems almost impossible.
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Me also. I can remember a time when I tried to be accommodating, willing to compromise. I.E. "What to consenting adults do in their bedroom is nobody's business" (y) I'm right there with you. "People in a long-term loving relationship should have some say in their partners care if that partner can't say for themselves, we need marriage". Marriage is a religious institution, and the Gov. should stay out of it. Loving partners most certainly should have that right. Okay, count me in.
"We don't like the smell of cigarettes while eating, we want a non smoking section in eating establishments." Sound reasonable to me.
HOWEVER: They never stop pushing, never stop wanting more. Now you can't smoke hardly anywhere and there are LGBTQ+WTFE "parades" where they chant "We are coming for your kids". :mad: In the between times if I opposed the latest "compromise", I was labeled a nazi, some phobe or another, racist, white supremist, biter clinger, deplorable. Even the former 1st lady/ Sec. of State said maybe we need reeducation. (where have we heard that before):mad::censored:
OKAY: Enough is enough. Not one more step back. I will be hung as a wolf not a lamb, they want to accuse me as being this, that, or the other, FINE! Don't be surprised when you get what you asked for.
 
Ozarker said:
"Available data and expert analyses show politically motivated gun violence in the U.S. is relatively rare overall, but recent years show more incidents tied to right‑wing extremists and those attacks have been more frequent and deadlier than left‑wing political violence." CSIS.

It's Wednesday, don't forget the Proud Boys meeting tonight.

Some might wear plate carriers while posting on the internet! :ROFLMAO:
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Both sides need their own square state to hash this out in. Yes I believe George Carlin was dead on when he brought this up. Let’s pick Colorado for this project. We can make a 24/7 paid program so us taxpayers don’t flip the whole bill. Also the participants have grow their own food with no outside help. Anyone caught helping will be put in the arena to fend for themselves.
 
Are the Anti Ice crowd looking for a martyr? It seems like they tried to make Rene Good their newest George Floyd; but on scene video dispelled that. Was the church attack the next attempt? Its pretty clear, their actions are led by some political, financial, foreign or domestic source.

Rene Good was a poor choice for lots of reasons, not the least of which is most OUTSIDE the left cant or wont identify with her. Much like history has all but forgotten the Claudette Colvin but remembers Rosa Parks. Colvin wasnt a figure that both sides could IDENTIFY with in the 60s. Colvin was 15 years old, pregnant and unmarried-not a publicity inspiring hero. Good was (twice married) and divorced woman. A mother who lost custody of her three children. She then decided late in her life that she was a lesbian who shaved her head and decided to protest for illegals. All that would be fine but its not something that will sway opinions from the OTHER side
 
Seems pretty simple keep you protests out of private property would be a shame if someone got shot. Just sayin a lot of armed security at churches now a days for a reason
 
bc22wm said:
never stop wanting more
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I always wonder why (some) homosexuals insist I know they are gay. I see Rainbow flags and Im supposed to say "Isnt that nice". I wonder how it would be perceived if I had a flag in front of my house with a White man having sex in multiple positions with a White woman? Somehow I dont think that would go over well but then NORMAL isnt NORMAL anymore
 
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Jsimon78 said:
Honestly this stuff is getting out of hand. If these “rats” have a 1st amendment right to free speech then (a person from Illinois) should have a 2nd amendment right to protect myself and others from these actions of violence. Yes I know I am not a church going religious person but that doesn’t mean I can do stupid stuff to a place of worship.
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Only reason it’s getting out of hand is the blue states do nothing about situations like this, democrats don’t care and just love this kind of behavior
 
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