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Commie tries to run over cop in MINNESOTA gets shot and killed

Anchorite said:
Yes, the more reviews this incident gets, the more input and perspectives, the better.

It encourages both debate and learning from this incident. No matter how you personally feel about it, it's a loss of human life. And based on the information that I have right now my personal opinion is that this was completely unnecessary. I don't understand why they confronted the woman to start with.

That said, there are numerous, yet unverified and unsubstantiated reports that she had been following them since the start of the operation, if that's the case the decision might have been made to take her into custody and charge her with obstruction and that was the reason for the contact. But will we ever know the truth? Probably not.

I personally think the ICE is causing many of the problems it's facing by the tactics they are using. They need to put their BDUs, plate carriers, helmets and long guns in the trunks of their cars where they belong and put their uniforms on. They aren't soldiers. There is no need for all of the weapons pointed at people that I see in the video of these operations. Their show of force is not doing anything but giving the opposition talking points and inspiring more people to protest and attempt to disrupt their operations. None of that is necessary and I believe it's being done for political messaging not for any tactical necessity.
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Need to put my hip waders on for this.
 
belladonna said:
Sadly most of the protesters are not even MN residents. Just like the Floyd riots, the lion’s share of the protestors were from out of state. They are either nut jobs or paid nut jobs. It’s gotta stop. I am starting to hate living here.
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The biggest problem for MN is #1 - The "Cities", and #2 - the radicalization of the DFL.

On #2 Mondale must be rotating in his grave based on what the DFL has become in the last 20 yrs.

When I was back there I only went deep into "The Cities" 3X, once being the day the stadium roof collapsed. Seeing how bad that storm event was handled was telling, and that with the DFL calling all the shots the fraud & waste of taxpayers $$ was evident and that was 15 yrs ago.

MN reminded me of most New England states.
 
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Anchorite said:
The agent positioned himself in front of the driver side bumper and we know she turned away as he shot her from the direction of travel of the car. His proximity is what kept him from being severely injured.

You've got to agree that it’s poor judgement to place yourself in the possible directions of travel of a car. You use vehicles and barriers to stop vehicles, not bodies.

And who shoots at a moving vehicle and in the direction of fellow officers and has no apparent realization of their backstop?



Yes, I agree that this shoot will ultimately be determined justifiable. I do think the lack of transparency is bad. Have the locals independently investigate and share/compare notes. What's the harm?

The officer in his post-shoot debrief will sufficiently articulate his reasonable belief that he was in danger of death or severe bodily harm. Case closed.

But I still can't help but arm-chair-quarterback this. And I'm not even law enforcement! Just a lowly lawyer who has had to cross examine plenty of officers about their training, experience, department policies and procedures.

I get the idea of OIJ. But if you have a good tactical training background, the probability of OIJ should be lower, right?

Here, it's not a riot. There are not Molotov cocktails being hurled or hundreds of people and burning cars.
This just looks like bad tactics all around.

The investigative measure applied herein can’t be limited to the moment of the shooting. The officer’s actions must be objectionably reasonable and necessary given the totality of circumstances. I can't recall the exact language of Barnes v Felix, but you can't isolate a shoot to the "moment of the shot," so here, you have to consider the poor training, poor decision making, poor judgment, poor tactical control, poor tactics and all the other facts leading up to the incident.

I betcha this video will become a training aid of what not to do.
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As far as the Agents position in front of the vehicle I am not gonna should woulda coulda, he was moving around and he couldn’t have seen how the tires were turned from his angle.

As far as the rule 4 issue he actually was spot on as while close there was more margin for error than the camera angle from the rear looked like he shot at an angle.

And I won’t even get into the Graham vs Connor but that said here is a little bit from the FLETC legal handbook
 

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Anchorite said:
Yes, the more reviews this incident gets, the more input and perspectives, the better.

It encourages both debate and learning from this incident. No matter how you personally feel about it, it's a loss of human life. And based on the information that I have right now my personal opinion is that this was completely unnecessary. I don't understand why they confronted the woman to start with.

That said, there are numerous, yet unverified and unsubstantiated reports that she had been following them since the start of the operation, if that's the case the decision might have been made to take her into custody and charge her with obstruction and that was the reason for the contact. But will we ever know the truth? Probably not.

I personally think the ICE is causing many of the problems it's facing by the tactics they are using. They need to put their BDUs, plate carriers, helmets and long guns in the trunks of their cars where they belong and put their uniforms on. They aren't soldiers. There is no need for all of the weapons pointed at people that I see in the video of these operations. Their show of force is not doing anything but giving the opposition talking points and inspiring more people to protest and attempt to disrupt their operations. None of that is necessary and I believe it's being done for political messaging not for any tactical necessity.
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You are right, send in the social workers, they will sort this out. You have to be kidding, I say"Go get you some lunch big boy".
 
Talyn said:
The biggest problem for MN is #1 - The "Cities", and #2 - the radicalization of the DFL.

On #2 Mondale must be rotating in his grave based on what the DFL has become in the last 20 yrs.

When I was back there I only went deep into "The Cities" 3X, once being the day the stadium roof collapsed. Seeing how bad that storm event was handled was telling, and that with the DFL calling all the shots the fraud & waste of taxpayers $$ was evident and that was 15 yrs ago.

MN reminded me of most New England states.
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I avoid the “Cities” like the plague.
 
www.fox9.com

Minneapolis ICE shooting: 30 detained as Hilton Canopy Hotel protests escalate overnight

Minneapolis police say they detained and cited 30 people as anti-ICE protests escalated Friday night outside the Hilton Canopy Hotel in downtown Minneapolis.
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protest at the hotel last night
sooo since today is saturday...what is the over and under these bafoons start fires tonight
notice the police was SLOOOOOOW to respond
these people need to be moved on
 
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