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Contact with Law Enforcement

Talyn

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The thing is that the uniform is in charge. Keep the temperature low. Be compliant.

For those hammer-heads with the "boot-licker" comments, you can wander off to play somewhere else, preferably in traffic.

The place for adversarial approaches is in court, not on the bricks.


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The thing is that the uniform is in charge. Keep the temperature low. Be compliant.

For those hammer-heads with the "boot-licker" comments, you can wander off to play somewhere else, preferably in traffic.

The place for adversarial approaches is in court, not on the bricks.


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Exactly. There were two times in my life where I was an *** to the officers, both when I was in my 20s. One: I was into Low Riders back in the day. I was part of a small Truck Club. 1991 Chevy S-10 Tahoe. Two tone red, with a 4/5 inch drop, cap, Sweet n Low on the back window. Got passed by a sky jacking 4x4. Officer pulled me over because my ride height wasn't "legal height". Good Ole boy jagoff, and told him as much. Two: on my way into work, working nights. Both incidents in Maryland. I observed a State Trooper tailgating a senior woman, trying to scare her into going over the limit. I was going the opposite direction. Turned into a side road to stop off at my parents. State boy coming the opposite direction passes me, whips around, gets on my *** and pulls me over. Now, mind you I was doing 35 in a 35. He gets on my ***, Follows me about a half mile, then pulls me over.

License, Registration, Insurance. Asks me if I know why he pulled me over. My response: " I have no idea, officer. I was going the posted speed. However, I noticed your buddy out there tailgating a little old lady. You need to tell your buddies that if you do that to me again, you will be chewing on my rear bumper, because I WILL lock up all 4 wheels. Then, I will let my lawyer handle the rest." He was passed at that. He gave me my stuff back, said "just watch your speed" and left in a huff. I have always given officers a respectful attitude and encounter other than those two times. I cannot abide jackassery.
 
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I don't think I've been pulled over by a cop in in 15 years.

That said, this article seems to be more about what happens when a plain clothes cop encounters a uniformed cop.

I had encounters with cops at work all the time.

I only had one cop that really gave me a ration at work.

One night I pulled into a substation on the east edge of town and backed up to the gate to do my checks (walk around the fence and check gates and look for holes). I had time to call in my location and annotate my log and another car pulls in to the Substation.

I called that in and stepped out of my car to investigate. The driver shines a spot light in my face and gets out.

I couldn't see the vehicle because there was Spotlight in my face. I couldn't see any uniform because there was a spotlight in my face.

There are a lot of people in Colorado Springs to drive around in used police cars because they're cheap.

There are also people in Colorado Springs who beat up security guards and take their guns.

So I pulled out my flashlight and lit the guy's face up. He started raising hell and getting badge heavy and all that

We had a few words. I reminded him that I was in a clearly marked security vehicle. I told him that I was acting as the agent of the property owner and that I every right to be there. And I asked him what he was doing on my private property.

About then his supervisor pulled in and listened to both of our sides of the story and told the deputy to leave.

He didn't exactly apologize to me but he left very shortly there after
 
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In my first training course as an LEO, an instructor taught us, there is someone out there every day who wants to kill you. The reason you are both alive at the end of your shift is that you did not encounter that guy today. Watch for the signs. Be prepared.

When you make a stop or respond to a complaint, you have no idea who you are going to be dealing with. You look for the signs. Furtive gestures and movement. Belligerent behavior. Refusal to follow instructions. Refusal to show hands. Being an a$$hole. All of those are danger signs that are guaranteed to peg the officer's pucker factor and cause an adrenaline rush. The officer will shift modes at that point. This will not end well.

Most such encounters do not end in violence, but some do. Some end up in arrests that might have just been a citation or warning. The term we used for that was, he arrested himself. Basic human courtesy goes a long way toward an officer's decision making.

Officers who encounter enough Adam Henrys over time will develop a hard varnish. Never do or say anything that is a sign, that places the officer in fear.

Some officers become cynical about dealing with people over time. It is incumbent on leadership to insure the agency does not devolve into "them against us" or "they are all Adam Henrys" through training and discipline. Body cameras more often than not bear out that officers were not guilty of misconduct, but also provide a great training tool for correcting inappropriate officer behavior.
 
I guess there is something to be said for being an old geezer. I was pulled over 20+ years ago for a headlight out, that was the last time. About the same time I went through a sobriety checkpoint, they stopped every car in front of me and everyone behind me but just waved me on through. A couple months ago I was entering Ft. Sill and stopped at the gate for the MP to scan my ID. As he did I asked if wanted to search my vehicle, he said "No sir, you are not a threat." I replied " That's what all the girls say anymore." He grinned, gave me a salute and waved me on. Treat them with respect and it is generally given in return, a little humor doesn't hurt either.
 
I wont say there arent As Ho cops, there are; cops are like everyone else, some even have fights with their wife before coming to work and that keeps them amped up all shift, Some have a As Ho boss that tells them they arent writing enough tickets (which usually caused me to write LESS), and one I know decided to take a civilian complaint because some officer called the suspect a liar (because the suspect was LYING). It seems the suspect's feelings were hurt and the boss was looking for and excuse to write up the officer.

FYI: the liar liar pants on fire didnt work for the suspect OR cop
 
The thing is that the uniform is in charge. Keep the temperature low. Be compliant.
That's my M.O. BUT I have a real hard time with petty tyrants. Thankfully those are in reality few and far between especially if you are polite though there are some out there. I also try to remember that uniformed officers generally get to deal with the worst society has to offer. While I might not be one (I might be also) officers are human and are prepared to react from past experiences. Is it fair? NOPE! But life isn't fair get over it.
 
Try being a MP...Whats that line about being a Military cop, "EVERYONE you meet is a trained killer..."
Though an SP and not an MP in a former life, it seemed I ran into more “Do you know who my husband is?” types than trained killers.

My response? Be sure to tell your husband to let his CO know a citation copy is headed his way…professionally, of course.

I’m 67 and still refer to uniformed LE officers as Sir or Ma’am, although most are young enough to be my grandkids.
 
Though an SP and not an MP in a former life, it seemed I ran into more “Do you know who my husband is?” types than trained killers.
hahaha I heard that one too. Once I got to CID things changed. I like to tell folks Army CID is like NCIS, except we didnt have the HOT women or a TV show.

Police work is all pretty much the same, whether your doing Patrol, SRO, working the desk, or detective; you have to assume somebody want to kill you and most just want help. Its the figuring whos who that makes it interesting.
 
In my first training course as an LEO, an instructor taught us, there is someone out there every day who wants to kill you. The reason you are both alive at the end of your shift is that you did not encounter that guy today. Watch for the signs. Be prepared.

When you make a stop or respond to a complaint, you have no idea who you are going to be dealing with. You look for the signs. Furtive gestures and movement. Belligerent behavior. Refusal to follow instructions. Refusal to show hands. Being an a$$hole. All of those are danger signs that are guaranteed to peg the officer's pucker factor and cause an adrenaline rush. The officer will shift modes at that point. This will not end well.

Most such encounters do not end in violence, but some do. Some end up in arrests that might have just been a citation or warning. The term we used for that was, he arrested himself. Basic human courtesy goes a long way toward an officer's decision making.

Officers who encounter enough Adam Henrys over time will develop a hard varnish. Never do or say anything that is a sign, that places the officer in fear.

Some officers become cynical about dealing with people over time. It is incumbent on leadership to insure the agency does not devolve into "them against us" or "they are all Adam Henrys" through training and discipline. Body cameras more often than not bear out that officers were not guilty of misconduct, but also provide a great training tool for correcting inappropriate officer behavior.
This is why I have respect for and give respect to Law Enforcement. Especially with the political/violent climate they have to deal with today. And especially since I do carry. No matter your opinion on Law Enforcement, people don't realize the level of restraint they have to exercise everyday, and especially in domestic violence and child abuse situations. I could not be a LEO. I think I would put a lead slug into a child molester, especially if they had murdered the child, or a male who beat up his wife/girlfriend or mother. I don't think I have that level of self discipline, and that is what I respect and admire the most about Law Enforcement. Yes, there are some ash hats, as in every walk of life. But people cannot fathom the level of depravity, violence and acts of evil these officers have to deal with, then go home to their families and know what kind of world their children are walking into. Same with the Military.
 
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I would say that 95% of the cops that I encountered on a daily basis at work were just like me, putting in the hours, going through the motions trying to make the rent.

The people that I saw get really "Badge Heavy" (and they didn't even have a badge) were the EMS guys and the fire department guys.

I had a 911 dispatcher get butt hurt with me one night when I was working at the Nixon power plant in Colorado Springs.

The Nixon power plant is huge, the grounds are two square miles. El Paso County Sheriff has a bomb range out there.

Whenever they get a suspicious package they load it up with the bomb squad, drive it out to Nixon and take it out to the bomb range to blow it up. Even if it's a pallet of ice cream.

The rules were when we get a call that the bomb squad is coming we open the front gate and stop all other traffic and they drive straight through they don't sign in none of that.

Somebody from the bomb squad is supposed to stop and get an access badge so that when they go out the back gate to the bomb range they can come back in the back gate with the key card.

One night they forgot. So we called dispatch and told them to have somebody from the bomb squad meet one of us at Gate 14 and we'd give him a key card to open the gate.

The dispatcher got real pissy with me when I explained it to her and when I told her I'd have one of my officers meet her guy at the gate she went ballistic.

He corrected me, you mean you'll have one of your guards meet my Officer at the gate.

Normally I don't bother with stuff like that but this time I was in a mood so I said I'll have one of my OFFICERS meet your guy at the gate.

She got really pissy then and said "You are not an OFFICER you are a GUARD."

I said "Whatever lady, unless you want your guys to be sitting out there in the back 40 all night long you better have one of them meet me at Gate 14."

I have no idea what she said to them but the ATF guy that met me at the gate was laughing his *** off.
 
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