Delta Force legend — John “Shrek” McPhee says......
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Gunz
Operator
I also agree with Mr. Noir...all due respect to SgtMaj McPhee.
I've been in 13 firefights and I remember them all. The last one sent me home. My experiences pale in comparison to the SgtMaj's and I hold his expertise and combat history in the highest regard. However, his experiences and mine do share one thing: None occurred in the continental United States during peacetime and none were in a civilian self-defense capacity.
There is one thing you can count on in any lethal engagement, whether in combat or in your hometown: Unpredictability. Every situation is unique. While handgun training at close quarters is essential, any trigger-pull time spent wisely is not wasted. Because unlike a combat environment where you are ready, gun-in-hand, in a state of continuous hyper-vigilance, civilian encounters can occur when your guard is down, shockingly fast and unanticipated.
Just my 2c.
I've been in 13 firefights and I remember them all. The last one sent me home. My experiences pale in comparison to the SgtMaj's and I hold his expertise and combat history in the highest regard. However, his experiences and mine do share one thing: None occurred in the continental United States during peacetime and none were in a civilian self-defense capacity.
There is one thing you can count on in any lethal engagement, whether in combat or in your hometown: Unpredictability. Every situation is unique. While handgun training at close quarters is essential, any trigger-pull time spent wisely is not wasted. Because unlike a combat environment where you are ready, gun-in-hand, in a state of continuous hyper-vigilance, civilian encounters can occur when your guard is down, shockingly fast and unanticipated.
Just my 2c.
HayesGreener
Ronin
Speed, power, and accuracy win the day.
Like ECS686 says, unforseen things happen. The best you can do is be aware and control the controlables. You have control over your gun, your ammo, your holster, how you carry; you have control over how much time you spend practicing your draw, how often you shoot, and developing your marksmanship.
Once your draw and presentation have reached instinctive level, the circumstances that arise during the exchange is the only variable you have to contend with. If you also have to contend with thinking about things like how to get the gun out and present it, manipulating a safety, God forbid chambering a round, etc., you are already behind the curve.
Like ECS686 says, unforseen things happen. The best you can do is be aware and control the controlables. You have control over your gun, your ammo, your holster, how you carry; you have control over how much time you spend practicing your draw, how often you shoot, and developing your marksmanship.
Once your draw and presentation have reached instinctive level, the circumstances that arise during the exchange is the only variable you have to contend with. If you also have to contend with thinking about things like how to get the gun out and present it, manipulating a safety, God forbid chambering a round, etc., you are already behind the curve.
The other thing with the Eli Dickens shooting he was aware of all the rule 4 issues and had to pause a few time in between volleys of fire
We use to have a 50 yard wual for Indiana LE and as one of the range guys said best isn’t that far on a residential city street it’s generally 45 yards from front porch to front porch
And over 15 yards from back of a patrol unit to drivers door of a stopped vehicle
Anchorite
Custom
The Dickens shooting seems a one-off to me.
He engaged, his choice, at a distance.
OTOH, I figure (statistically speaking) if I’m a victim I’m going to be mugged.
I’m not going looking for trouble nor am I going to engage in a distance battle - I’d be afraid when the Calvary showed up I might be mistaken for a shooter. Am I wrong in my thinking?
He engaged, his choice, at a distance.
OTOH, I figure (statistically speaking) if I’m a victim I’m going to be mugged.
I’m not going looking for trouble nor am I going to engage in a distance battle - I’d be afraid when the Calvary showed up I might be mistaken for a shooter. Am I wrong in my thinking?
Yea it was an outlier however he didn’t choose it it happened in front of him in a food court which as an open area a shot past 10 yards is not
While the norm for a private citizen is in touching diagrams in a Robert the new neon is around 7 yards and in (Tom Givens Rangemaster Stats show that which is about the best civilian stats we have)
So while it’s most likely under 7 yards completely discounting the need to be somewhat profecient past that is probably not the best practice either!
But everyone can make their own choice
SimonRL
Ronin
I live in a cul-de-sac and was pretty surprised to find that the neighbor across the way is exactly 50yds garage door to garage door (my wife bought me a rangefinder for Christmas one year). 50 yds looks much farther at the range than it does looking across the cul-de-sac.
That was the range guys point and he relayed it with what you see in a street.
I still obviously use that reference because almost everyone relates to it
Onewolf426
Hellcat
Yes, 40 to 50 yards is an outlier, but certainly more probable with the way we have these shooters out there taking on soft targets. With these situations, anything goes as far as distance and decision to engage. I would think that if any of us were in those situations of a church or school shooting, we would engage and consequences/distance be damned.