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Discussion: Why You Don’t Need Hollow Points

Anchorite said:
Is anyone aware of any *documented* case where an innocent bystander was hit, either by a justified shooter (miss) or an "overpenetration?"

I reallly dislike the term, "overpenetration," as it strikes me as an oxymoron.
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there are many news stories around the nation where innocents are shot and killed by gunfire while in their home when a bullet penetrated the walls/exterior.

here is a local one to me:
 
"This is why smaller, or lower-powered, centerfire cartridges are best served by either FMJ or Lehigh-type projectiles."

I am a firm believer in driving the .32 and .380 ACP cartridges at maximum velocities in Lehigh-style (loaded by Underwood Ammunition) and those of similar construction at the highest velocities that can be achieved within reasonable design parameters.

Accurate shot placement will do the rest.



 
KillerFord1977 said:
there are many news stories around the nation where innocents are shot and killed by gunfire while in their home when a bullet penetrated the walls/exterior.

here is a local one to me:
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Point taken.

I was looking for instances where there was an armed encounter and a bystander was hit, not specifically what the talking heads are calling a random event.
 
Still want to see what we and the article, were referring to - not drive by shootings, not gangland shootings, which are misses, but rather penetrating the shot person and then traveling into another causing death.
 
I would prefer firearm related industries NOT to be putting ideas in the gun grabbers heads. They have enough nutty ideas without our help.
 
Anchorite said:
Is anyone aware of any *documented* case where an innocent bystander was hit, either by a justified shooter (miss) or an "overpenetration?"

I reallly dislike the term, "overpenetration," as it strikes me as an oxymoron.
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In the last 30 years with service calibers (9mm,40,45 and 357 Mag or Sig) Two things that are most inflated on fights. Reloads, (only one in the private sector ring has ever been documented per Tom Given Rangemaster) and over-penetration. the only one I know of is when someone shot a person in the head at a tailgate party in Detroit it went through and struck and killed someone behind the perp.

But main body/torso hits none. misses is what hurts bystanders that whole over penetration

And walls are not people!

But a lot of folks regurgitate BS like “that one time at band camp”
 
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Captain O said:
"This is why smaller, or lower-powered, centerfire cartridges are best served by either FMJ or Lehigh-type projectiles."

I am a firm believer in driving the .32 and .380 ACP cartridges at maximum velocities in Lehigh-style (loaded by Underwood Ammunition) and those of similar construction at the highest velocities that can be achieved within reasonable design parameters.

Accurate shot placement will do the rest.



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The issue with small sub duty use calibers is they are not suppose to perform as good as full size duty cartridges in ballistic test. To expect the same is asking a lot. They are whem hih are not wanting to carry a full size gun just in case.

But as pointed pick the best round hih thjnk and with skne solids have shown to be better. The CCI 22 solids would be one of the better choices there with rifle or handgun
 
ECS686 said:
The issue with small sub duty use calibers is they are not suppose to perform as good as full size duty cartridges in ballistic test. To expect the same is asking a lot. They are whem hih are not wanting to carry a full size gun just in case.

But as pointed pick the best round hih thjnk and with skne solids have shown to be better. The CCI 22 solids would be one of the better choices there with rifle or handgun
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Within a second or two, I can empty my Walther PP with the hottest FMJ loads in an area the size of a teacup. This usually brings a nasty encounter to a hasty conclusion. John Moses Browning was no one's fool.

It works.
 
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