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Father fatally shooting illegal immigrant attempting to carjack family of 8

Since this happened up in the Metroplex, there has been a lot of news coverage. First, it happened in Texas and the Castle Doctrine here includes your car. Garland PD has declined to file charges.
There has been witnesses that said the perp tried to carjack multiple times in the few minutes prior, and one witness who described him as crazy eyes. He may have been hyped up on something, making the number of shots fired as fully understandable.
Anyway, the shooter reacted because he feared for his family. I am sure most if not all of us would have done the same thing.
 
OK first the situation isnt over when the trigger stops being pulled; thats just the initial step. The next step is ARTICULATION. I keep saying it because someone smarter than me beat it into my head "suspects are determined when the police report is written". The Officer can make you a VICTIM a Suspect or a Victim/Suspect. Dont wanna talk until your lawyer jest there and at best youre both the victim and suspect. Explain what happened and what you did, and suddenly youre becoming a good guy. Good guys dont wait for lawyers

What happen in California was the result of bad legal advice and defense...and California; but even so a good lawyer likely could have changed that outcome

If any of you recall the robbery in the Texas Taco restaurant where the armed gunman was stealing from the customers; in that case one customer waited until the gunman passed him then drew his weapon and started shooting, 9 body shots from behind and a final head shot as the customer walked past the gunman on the ground. That 10th shot was JUSTFIABLE as the customer had zero obligation to render aid, or check to see if the gunman was still alive. As far as the customer was concerned the gunman was still a possible threat and might have shot him as he left, so he ended the fight with a "ANCHORING" shot.

I also submit the SAS raid on the Embassy in London. The first trooper shot the terrorist as he entered and every follow up trooper shot him as well.

There was a hostage incident in Maryland a number of years ago it went on for 30 days. The hostages were able to slip meds in the bad guys food and he fell asleep. When the Tac Team went in he must have woken up because they shot him 31 times.

I could go on, and this incident like every other incident is LOCATION dependent, which is why I keep preaching to leave bad places; but even in Cali or NY, this is a legally defensible shooting IF you articulate what happened. Sure you have to say you were afraid BUT you have to make a tired cop who only wants to go home to a beer (and his neighbors wife...) understand the fear, so that he can make his bosses and the states attorney understand it too

Now that being said, I would have wanted to be in the video dancing around with the carjackers ear in one hand and my other hand on my crotch, because Baby Jesus in heaven just sent me a free fire mission and I survived...
 
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ECS686 said:
Respectfully to some that are
Tough talkers. I bet the tone changes when the gavel comes down. Ask LAPD Officer Toni McBride she shot a suspect with a knife 6 times. The review bird said she was good with the first four but the last 2 that she was not. This she has been fighting the case off and in since 2020.

It do whatever your career and bank account can handle

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Appellate court reverses qualified immunity decision, revives lawsuit against LAPD officer

While Officer Toni McBride was initially granted qualified immunity in a 2020 shooting, an appellate court found that the shots fired while the suspect was on the ground were not within policy
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Its not tough talk. Its not being afraid to do whats necessary and its also knowledge of the law and experience.

The first case her attorney should have entered in her defense was the attack at the Istanbul airport. Where a Police Officer shot a suspect who fell to the ground then, the officer moved forward to cuff him, as Im sure he had been taught over and over BUT when the office was close the suspect detonated a bomb killing himself (rot in Hell), the officer and other innocents (RIP). There are others but the Istanbul incident was on video.

I learned after that one, suspects are a threat until the coroner says they are dead.

Her attorney was clueless. It wouldnt have taken much digging to find cases where suspects on the ground suddenly find the energy to kill cops who stop shooting.
 
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I'd wager that half the rounds fired probably missed. And I'm sure that some of the rounds that did hit the perp were not fatal shots. And don't forget that the perp seemed to be high on something. Now for the father. I'll say good on him for defending his family, but I am going to call this as I see it. While that father probably didn't have any kind of criminal record (or the cops would have detained or arrested him), he seemed to utilize "gangbanger" firearms techniques. I'll just say it out loud. He reminds me of a hoodlum. And 8 people in the car? I wonder if it even had baby seats in it. Since it has apparently been called self defense and no further action taken, I think the father is ok. The perp was an illegal alien, so I doubt any of his illegal family will come forward to try to sue. And what would they get? I don't think much, just from first impressions of the father. Just my $0.02.
 
Some years ago in Memphis an armed robber attacked a man in a mall parking lot. The victim pulled his own gun and proceeded to empty a 15 round magazine into the bad guy. Putting many of the shots into the BG after he was already on the ground. The victim said he just panicked and kept pulling the trigger. The local liberal media tried to make a big deal out of it. Police ruled it self defense and nothing more was ever said.
 
PieterCoetzee said:
Its not tough talk. Its not being afraid to do whats necessary and its also knowledge of the law and experience.

The first case her attorney should have entered in her defense was the attack at the Istanbul airport. Where a Police Officer shot a suspect who fell to the ground then, the officer moved forward to cuff him, as Im sure he had been taught over and over BUT when the office was close the suspect detonated a bomb killing himself (rot in Hell), the officer and other innocents (RIP). There are others but the Istanbul incident was on video.

I learned after that one, suspects are a threat until the coroner says they are dead.

Her attorney was clueless. It wouldnt have taken much digging to find cases where suspects on the ground suddenly find the energy to kill cops who stop shooting.
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If you are familiar with the California courts her attorney won a couple times and the criminal side. The problem they (family) got the civil case reversed after it was dropped on the civil side.

As far as the whole judged by 12 comment. My experience (and I base this as someone that’s been cross examined as well as had fokks that claim) most break down in tears whem they are suddenly investigated as a homicide or attempted homicide suspect to see if they met sun section A, B or C that made it “Justified” and they cry like a little B@&$h

And most folks that claim that have never been involved in a use of force or questioned in court iver say a civil rights charge whem your agency clears you but you get Miranda rights read anyway is always a great time!
 
TurboDog910 said:
I believe we counted 10-11 shots. He is justified but I think he is pushing his luck with 10-11 shots to neutralize the threat.
If the criminal was jacked up on something perhaps it took that many.
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What do you folks think?
Glad he was able to protect his family.
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Video shows father fatally shooting illegal immigrant attempting to carjack family of 8: police

Police say a Texas father fatally shot an illegal immigrant who tried to forcefully carjack his family, including a baby, in a Garland convenience store parking lot.
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You'd be surprised how fast you can fire 11 shots... and how without CNS hits those fail to have the effect you're looking for as fast as you can fire.
 
OldGrunt said:
I'd wager that half the rounds fired probably missed. And I'm sure that some of the rounds that did hit the perp were not fatal shots. And don't forget that the perp seemed to be high on something. Now for the father. I'll say good on him for defending his family, but I am going to call this as I see it. While that father probably didn't have any kind of criminal record (or the cops would have detained or arrested him), he seemed to utilize "gangbanger" firearms techniques. I'll just say it out loud. He reminds me of a hoodlum. And 8 people in the car? I wonder if it even had baby seats in it. Since it has apparently been called self defense and no further action taken, I think the father is ok. The perp was an illegal alien, so I doubt any of his illegal family will come forward to try to sue. And what would they get? I don't think much, just from first impressions of the father. Just my $0.02.
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I've seen the video a few times on a huge monitor.

I believe your assumption about the father is correct as in the video it was obvious the father had zero firearm training, no pistol control and he was just "panicked shooting". I too believe many rounds went flying elsewhere and not the hijacker. I am glad he did not accidentally shoot any of his familia in his adrenaline condition.
 
Lexie__M said:
I've seen the video a few times on a huge monitor.

I believe your assumption about the father is correct as in the video it was obvious the father had zero firearm training, no pistol control and he was just "panicked shooting". I too believe many rounds went flying elsewhere and not the hijacker. I am glad he did not accidentally shoot any of his familia in his adrenaline condition.
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I think theres a reason why you dont see a lot of this kind shootings from well trained guys. I would suggest that a large part of it is because guys that put in time to train are a bit more aware and dont let tend to let things like this happen, neither do they tend to hang around neighborhoods where things like this might happen.

OTOH, I have seen trained guys suddenly revert to a gangsta (sideways) hold under stress Maybe its from too many rap videos? or spanish superbowl halftime shows?
 
Lexie__M said:
I've seen the video a few times on a huge monitor.

I believe your assumption about the father is correct as in the video it was obvious the father had zero firearm training, no pistol control and he was just "panicked shooting". I too believe many rounds went flying elsewhere and not the hijacker. I am glad he did not accidentally shoot any of his familia in his adrenaline condition.
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maybe, maybe not...reason...we are all humans, and none of us know exactly how we would react under adverse, stressful, conditions like this.
PieterCoetzee said:
I think theres a reason why you dont see a lot of this kind shootings from well trained guys. I would suggest that a large part of it is because guys that put in time to train are a bit more aware and dont let tend to let things like this happen, neither do they tend to hang around neighborhoods where things like this might happen.

OTOH, I have seen trained guys suddenly revert to a gangsta (sideways) hold under stress Maybe its from too many rap videos? or spanish superbowl halftime shows?
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maybe what you say........but again, unless one is professionally trained in gunfighting, can we be certain by 1000% it will be handled as you say..??

again, the human factor, adverse, stressful conditions.
 
Old_Me said:
maybe what you say........but again, unless one is professionally trained in gunfighting, can we be certain by 1000% it will be handled as you say..??

again, the human factor, adverse, stressful conditions.
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Exactly. My point was there are far fewer of these incidents involving guys that invest in training because they tend to be more aware (because of the training) AND not to frequent places where things like this take place

Training is both an investment in time but also money and that hopefully comes with a different minset. As in dont go to stupid places and do stupid things with stupid people.

I dont want to blame the dad; but it looked like he was almost in the car then got out and walked toward the carjacker. Its not clear why the dad didnt just get in the car and drive away
 
PieterCoetzee said:
Exactly. My point was there are far fewer of these incidents involving guys that invest in training because they tend to be more aware (because of the training) AND not to frequent places where things like this take place

Training is both an investment in time but also money and that hopefully comes with a different minset. As in dont go to stupid places and do stupid things with stupid people.

I dont want to blame the dad; but it looked like he was almost in the car then got out and walked toward the carjacker. Its not clear why the dad didnt just get in the car and drive away
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I agree.
I've talked to many newbie firearm owners over the years and the first thing I tell them, "proper training and complete knowledge and familiarity with your firearm is 50% of ownership."

Yes I know they only think, "I got a gun now and don't need any training."

Yes in the end, none of us truly knows exactly how each of us, will respond when we are taken out of our normal comfort zone.
OMG, as one example, I've seen people freaking out when a hurricane is announced is coming and they drive all over the place and endangering others.
 
Lexie__M said:
I agree.
I've talked to many newbie firearm owners over the years and the first thing I tell them, "proper training and complete knowledge and familiarity with your firearm is 50% of ownership."

Yes I know they only think, "I got a gun now and don't need any training."
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Yes I know they only think,

"I got a gun now and don't need any training."
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no truer words spoken by ignorant fools.

we can't fix stupid, or ignorance, let the chips fall where they be, and let Johnny Law deal with them.
 
OldGrunt said:
I'd wager that half the rounds fired probably missed. And I'm sure that some of the rounds that did hit the perp were not fatal shots.
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I’ll NOT take that bet, and would add an “at least” in there somewhere. It would be interesting to know how many “hits” there actually were…and where LEOs recovered the bullets that missed.

Also not sure why the big bystander didn’t want to help out, seems the two of them could have controlled the carjacker - though I’m a big believer in play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

In the big scheme of things, I’m glad I didn’t have to make those decisions!
 
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