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While I used to believe Marijuana was no worse than alcoholic beverages, I really no longer feel that way because of the exponential increase in potency of Marijuana sold today. Not to mention it seems every substance is laced with fentanyl these days as well.

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The NRA and NORML unite to oppose the federal gun ban for marijuana users

Drug policy reformers and Second Amendment advocates team up in a case before the Supreme Court.
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Here’s the thing, the 4473 is in direct violation of the Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution as it forces someone to waive the right to not incriminate themself with that question. It is trading the Fifth Amendment rights of someone for the Second Amendment rights.

Now I also don’t personally believe that people should do drugs either and if they’re caught violating a law while on drugs, they are put into rehab rather than prison until they are deemed fit for release. (They still go to court, it isn’t by default that the police dump them there.)
 
GPS said:
the 4473 is in direct violation of the Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution as it forces someone to waive the right to not incriminate themself with that question. It is trading the Fifth Amendment rights of someone for the Second Amendment rights.
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Interesting legal argument

The NRA hasnt been the NRA for years and NORML sounds an awful lot like like NAMBLA

As for marijuanna, its a drug that has zero medicinal use. Its stronger and more addictive than alcohol AND everywhere that its been legalized has seen a huge increase in driving while intoxicated/under the influence. Its a crutch with a cracked shaft. Instead of treating VETs with anxiety, the VA docs handout marijuanna and snatch away gun rights Hmmm? Agenda?
 
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I was a teenager during the 60s. I was in the Army during the early 70s when drug use was rampid. At 71 I can say that I have never used any form of recreational pharmaceuticals in my whole life. Including marijuana.
However, I've never had anything against occasional users of marijuana. I've been around people while they were using it, Hell I've even passed the joint at a party. To me , its no different than alcohol when used within reason.
But, like alcohol, it can be abused. Its the abusers you have to watch out for.
PieterCoetzee said:
marijuanna, its a drug that has zero medicinal use
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I beg to differ. My oldest son had a multitude of serious medical issues. (none drug related) He felt bad all day, every day. An occasional toke helped him to feel better. I was glad he had it.
 
Lab4Us said:
While I used to believe Marijuana was no worse than alcoholic beverages, I really no longer feel that way because of the exponential increase in potency of Marijuana sold today.
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It's still no worse than alcohol, you can buy lite beer with 4% alcohol or 96% 190 proof Everclear. So is the Everclear more addictive than 4% beer? NO!
As for medicinal use, there is plenty of documented cases where it can work better than opioids and not addictive like opioids. Cancer patients can eat and maintain weight with weed use.
In my entire life I've not once been witness to someone smoking weed get violent like a lot of drunks I've known.
 
Grayfox said:
I was a teenager during the 60s. I was in the Army during the early 70s when drug use was rampid. At 71 I can say that I have never used any form of recreational pharmaceuticals in my whole life. Including marijuana.
However, I've never had anything against occasional users of marijuana. I've been around people while they were using it, Hell I've even passed the joint at a party. To me , its no different than alcohol when used within reason.
But, like alcohol, it can be abused. Its the abusers you have to watch out for.

I beg to differ. My oldest son had a multitude of serious medical issues. (none drug related) He felt bad all day, every day. An occasional toke helped him to feel better. I was glad he had it.
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I agree on the MJ vs Alcohol. Feel the same. Both can be fine in moderation and abused in excess
 
PieterCoetzee said:
Interesting legal argument

The NRA hasnt been the NRA for years and NORML sounds an awful lot like like NAMBLA

As for marijuanna, its a drug that has zero medicinal use. Its stronger and more addictive than alcohol AND everywhere that its been legalized has seen a huge increase in driving while intoxicated/under the influence. Its a crutch with a cracked shaft. Instead of treating VETs with anxiety, the VA docs handout marijuanna and snatch away gun rights Hmmm? Agenda?
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Seems you might be for Prohibition also
 
I worked drug cases in the 70's and did some undercover assignments where drugs and alcohol flowed freely. Tokers almost always were drinking while smoking pot and using other drugs. I can tell you without question that the combined effects of pot and alcohol resulted in greater impairment than one or the other alone. Working the street I also saw the results at crash scenes.

Chronic use of pot has long term psychological effects, and it is addictive. Similar to alcohol abuse. It is a mild hallucinagen as well. A common effect of withdrawl from chronic pot use is sudden fits of rage. It will rob one of energy and drive.

I don't argue that pot has no medical value. There is enough evidence that it can relieve pain and anxiety in some cases. I leavevthat to medical professionals.

But the postulation that it is a harmless recreational drug is nonsense. When abused it has devastating effects mentally and physically on many users. Nearly every hard drug user I ever talked to used it as an entry ramp to hard drugs.
 
I have never used it but have seen what MJ can do. Lives can be ruined. Since New Mexico has legalized it crime has gone up. We have 30000 people in this community and there is no reason to have 15 pot stores! People won't feed their kids but will purchase dope. Free breakfast and lunch at school and now free childcare for everyone! Who gets affected by all this, the taxpayer. So much money state gets for legal dope but they can't even fix a pothole. Half the population is walking around stoned.
 
GPS said:
and if they’re caught violating a law while on drugs, they are put into rehab rather than prison until they are deemed fit for release.
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COWPIES! Voluntary intoxication is not a defense for breaking the law. So (I'm thing of one man but I'm sure there are many, many more) smokes a joint, knocks over a convenience store, shoots the clerk, and her best friend that just stop by to say hi, to "leave no one who could id him" should go to rehab? I know that's not your intent but that's how it would end up. We need to stop making excuses for criminal behavior and knock off the Hug-A-Thug mentality.
Pot/THC has some limited medical uses. Then, so dose nicotine, but you don't see "doctors" prescribing a pack of Camels a day. The whole "medical marijuana" is/was nothing more than a run around the probation masked as a health issue by commercial cannabis growers. With the intent of getting their nose under the tent flap. Get the public used to pot as a medicine, and comfortable with the idea, then push for legalization. Follow The Money. Had doctors done their job we wouldn't be having this discussion, then if doctors had done their job, we wouldn't have the opioid crisis we have today either.
southtex said:
Seems you might be for Prohibition also
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You bet your sweet bippy! Please don't give me any of that crap about so and so being in prison for one joint. Name one that didn't have extenuating circumnutates, that has taken place in the last 20-30 years. No, it shouldn't be in the same class as LSD, but it shouldn't be sold like LifeSavers either.
 
Until there is a uniform position among all the states, the Feds will have grounds to keep restrictions in place.

If the rationale is similar to that found in other areas (e.g. transportation law, specifically heavy trucks) Federal law has precedence unless the law is more restrictive. Unless Marijuana use is permitted on a Federal level this is little more than posturing.
 
Blackmesa96 said:
Until there is a uniform position among all the states, the Feds will have grounds to keep restrictions in place.

If the rationale is similar to that found in other areas (e.g. transportation law, specifically heavy trucks) Federal law has precedence unless the law is more restrictive. Unless Marijuana use is permitted on a Federal level this is little more than posturing.
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But the question on the 4473 violates Fifth Amendment rights, therefore is invalid. So it is literally unenforceable. That and Jill Rogan has a CCW and is a pit head.
 
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