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HEX Dragonfly doesn’t work on Echelon

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John Shoemaker

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Bought a Prodigy and a HEX Dragonfly. Installed easily, no problem. Bought an Echelon and a HEX Dragonfly, and even though the Echelon supports over 30 different red dots , it won’t accept the Dragonfly. Why should I have to buy a special plate to mount a Springfield product on a Springfield pistol? Design flaw?
 
John Shoemaker said:
Bought a Prodigy and a HEX Dragonfly. Installed easily, no problem. Bought an Echelon and a HEX Dragonfly, and even though the Echelon supports over 30 different red dots , it won’t accept the Dragonfly. Why should I have to buy a special plate to mount a Springfield product on a Springfield pistol? Design flaw?
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contact Springfield, many times they send you what you need, as i have read here before
 
John Shoemaker said:
Bought a Prodigy and a HEX Dragonfly. Installed easily, no problem. Bought an Echelon and a HEX Dragonfly, and even though the Echelon supports over 30 different red dots , it won’t accept the Dragonfly. Why should I have to buy a special plate to mount a Springfield product on a Springfield pistol? Design flaw?
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A better question is why would you buy a Hex anything ?
 
xdman said:
It’s not like Springfield kept it a secret, It’s literally on the vis chart of fitments. It will work but needs an adapter, same with ACRO.
store.springfield-armory.com

Echelon™ Complete Pin Set for Variable Interface System

Springfield Armory WebStore
store.springfield-armory.com store.springfield-armory.com
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Sure but how silly! They seem to be advertising most of the other guy's RDS at all cost and stay away from HEX as much as possible... It's too bad, I do like the Dragonfly on the Prodigy, looks like they went out of their way to not support their own product with the Echelon... A bonehead move in my opinion!
 
DPP?
I was using a catalog of footprints from my local firearms retailer. I was surprised that the Docter was the most by not a large margin, I'm not sure when it was produced to be honest.
 
Pitdogg2 said:
DPP?
I was using a catalog of footprints from my local firearms retailer. I was surprised that the Docter was the most by not a large margin, I'm not sure when it was produced to be honest.
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The Doctor is common but for whatever reason it seems like more and more are going with the Trijicon or Leupold for standard size. It appears the RMSc is the dominant footprint for the "micro compact" size.
 
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Obviously the catalog I seen was much older than I thought.
I found this at Optics Planet.
The Docter/Noblex footprint was very common in the earlier days of pistol slide mounted optics. It utilizes 2 screw holes and 4 sockets to accept recoil pins. Most optics that used the Docter footprint have been discontinued or modified to use more common footprints.
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Live and learn.
 
Pro Digy II said:
Sure but how silly! They seem to be advertising most of the other guy's RDS at all cost and stay away from HEX as much as possible... It's too bad, I do like the Dragonfly on the Prodigy, looks like they went out of their way to not support their own product with the Echelon... A bonehead move in my opinion!
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It comes down to fitting the most optics. Each optic has posts and holes, some footprints have those holes so close you have to choose one. So with the doctor footprint then you could not have the screw holes for the rmr and others. Choosing the footprints they did, they can fit the most footprints possible without adaptor plates. Or they could have chose the Doctor footprint and then needed adaptors for the rest. Springfield did a good decision supporting the most amount of footprint’s possible without plates.
 
xdman said:
It comes down to fitting the most optics. Each optic has posts and holes, some footprints have those holes so close you have to choose one. So with the doctor footprint then you could not have the screw holes for the rmr and others. Choosing the footprints they did, they can fit the most footprints possible without adaptor plates. Or they could have chose the Doctor footprint and then needed adaptors for the rest. Springfield did a good decision supporting the most amount of footprint’s possible without plates.
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I get this, go after the bigger market, of course.

That being said, it probably wouldn't have been that much more difficult to go the extra step and support just one more with another set of pins, the one footprint they actually control, but that really shows the HEX brand is probably on the way out, which is unfortunate.
 
Pro Digy II said:
I get this, go after the bigger market, of course.

That being said, it probably wouldn't have been that much more difficult to go the extra step and support just one more with another set of pins, the one footprint they actually control, but that really shows the HEX brand is probably on the way out, which is unfortunate.
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It may have not just been another set of pins. It may have been the screw holes would've overlapped where neither would be useable. ??? If they coulda added the Doctor footprint they would've.
 
deadduck357 said:
It may have not just been another set of pins. It may have been the screw holes would've overlapped where neither would be useable. ??? If they coulda added the Doctor footprint they would've.
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I guess... Engineering is about compromising for the sake of market launch usually (look at the disastrous iPhone 15 that isn't stiff enough and gets too hot), I get the HEX customer base isn't big enough to justify supporting it.
 
If they had taken the Sig approach and made the gun to fit SA dots, the DPP and RMR people would be whining that they can’t get their Holosuns, etc mounted and have to use a plate. Or, they could have taken a page out of FNs book and use a system that will literally take any dot and provides self sealing screws for all those solutions so you don’t need Loctite. You can’t win though because any market typically suffers from a ratio of about 30% malcontents, so you just have to figure out which group you want to alienate!
 
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