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Ok, just for background I live in the country, nearest neighbor is a few hundred yards away. Second, I’m well on my 75th trip around the sun and started shooting and hunting 68 years ago, so I’m not new to firearms. So yesterday I’m in the local toy shop seeing what they have that I can’t live without🙄. There on the rack is an AR 9mm carbine, complete with optical sight, vertical foregrip and flashlight. Two young bucks are ‘oohing” and “aahhing” and generally drooling all over this thing. I picked it up and the darn thing has got to weigh 7.5 or 8 lbs😳. They also haa Henry Homestreader in 9, also a fairly chunky monkey ( though a good bit lighter than the AR). Also on the rack was an AR15A2, a mini 14, a mini 30, an M1 .30 carbine (original Inland) and a 45/70 guide gun, ALL of which are lighter swing faster, are similar in size AND pack between 3 and 9 times the power of the 9mm. If you want/need a rifle, why would you not want rifle power? I know 9 is cheap to shoot, but 9 even from a 16.5 tube is a pretty weak sister even compared to a little .223, much less to a serious rifle cartridge. I know I’m not one of the Kewl Kids, and I’ve no interest in playing Rambo and doing mag dumps. but If I need a rifle, then I WANT a Rifle. Frankly I’d take the M1, the GuideGun or any of the others WAY before I’d grab any 9 mm “Rifle”. So, other than a range toy, why a 9mm rifle? Must be a reason but I sure don’t get it. For a SD firearm, or even a gun for around the farm for varmint control why would you want less power, less range and at an distance less accuracy?
 
I have my eye out for the right 45acp, probably an SBR, now lusting after a CMMG Banshee. I sit down behind my Dillon 650 and crank out a couple thousand rounds a couple times a year for my carry pistols. I have plenty big rifle calibers with lots of killing power but only shoot them a couple times a year to zero and kill game. But I can shoot 45 year around. I suppose I could do the same with 9mm but usually only shoot 9mm for high round count instructor courses and am not set up for reloading 9mm. In my assessment a 45apc 1911 and PCC, and my 870 Marine Magnum will do just fine for repelling boarders within 100 yards of the homestead. But I have rifle ammo stacked up and I will break out the big stuff when I see Chinese paratroopers landing in the cotton fields.
 
Probably gonna get flamed into oblivion for saying this, but I gotta admit, I'm not really a fan of the AR platform as a whole. I've always been more of Mini 14/30 guy. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't throw an AR in the trash, and I may even up owning one just for S&G's, but they're not my favorite. I'm also not a fan of gadgets on guns. I learned to shoot when I was 10 by a bunch of hard-ass old range vultures. I learned to use iron sights, and maybe a traditional scope if you're shooting at something more than 100 yards away.

Also not a fan of optics/lights on handguns. When I went through the reserve academy years ago, they taught us how to hold a firearm in one hand, and a flashlight in the other. You DO have two hands, and you only need one to hold a pistol. It's called a "handgun" and not a "handsgun" for a reason. Also, if you're being shot at, they're going to aim for the light. Hold the light far away from you, to protect yourself. I get the convenience of rail-mounted flashlights, but I just don't like them. More often than not they just get in the way and throw the whole gun off balance. It's just not for me. And I will NEVER use a laser.

You just can't become dependent on something that needs a charge and you need it to save your life.
 
I get the latest greatest gotta have it thing. That being said - it is similar to the newest gphone or iphone. More pixels! More apps! very slightly larger screen! Buy now! Carnival barkers don't get my money - careful consideration and want/need are more weighted in my decisions. Do I want xyz? sure - but meh - got lots as it is. Sales pitches are like lady luck, sounds good, fun and exciting but she's gone by morning and so is my money/time etc.
 
I always figure they make so many options, some I like some I don't, because we all like different things, kinda makes it a less boring world I suppose.

I have always liked the carbine and handgun in same cartridge combination. Have had one pretty much my entire shooting career, and they got used more than most other options. Its nice and simple only having one cartridge to worry about grabbing when heading up for a hunting trip, KISS. Or to put in the pack when heading out camping hunting where less is more. I used a .44 magnum revolver and Marlin for hunting for nearly 30 years, did real well with them. the carbine barrel improves ballistics over the handgun barrel. Not much of a long distance shooter to begin with, anything over 30 yards starts looking way to long to shoot at, too much traditional archery in my brain I suppose. Had archery cramned in my brain about the time i learned to walk. I have to force myself to practice longer shots just to insure I am proficient in them just in case.

If I could only have one long arm and one handgun it just might be something like a lever action 357 magnum revolver combo perhaps. Something to be said for that simplicity in my mind.
 
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Certified Silly Goose said:
I'm not really a fan of the AR platform as a whole.
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You're not alone. I have two ARs simply because so many people don't want me to have them. Yeah, I'm stubborn like that. 😁
My preferred rifle for CQB is the old M1 Carbine. For anything beyond that, the M1As come out. (y)

As for red dots, powered optics, lasers and such, never trust your life to anything that requires a battery. The few that I have are on quick release mounts and have back-up iron sights. ;)
 
Sld1959 said:
I always figure they make so many options, some I like some I don't, because we all like different things, kinda makes it a less boring world I suppose.

I have always liked the carbine and handgun in same cartridge combination. Have had one pretty much my entire shooting career, and they got used more than most other options. Its nice and simple only having one cartridge to worry about grabbing when heading up for a hunting trip, KISS. Or to put in the pack when heading out camping hunting where less is more. I used a .44 magnum revolver and Marlin for hunting for nearly 30 years, did real well with them. the carbine barrel improves ballistics over the handgun barrel. Not much of a long distance shooter to begin with, anything over 30 yards starts looking way to long to shoot at, too much traditional archery in my brain I suppose. Had archery cramned in my brain about the time i learned to walk. I have to force myself to practice longer shots just to insure I am proficient in them just in case.

If I could only have one long arm and one handgun it just might be something like a lever action 357 magnum revolver combo perhaps. Something to be said for that simplicity in my mind.
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I agree, use an 1894 Marlin .44 and an 1892 Winchester .357 to go with my revolvers, however either of those rounds picks up pretty decent extra velocity from a longer tube (not to mention being a lot stouter to start with). Everything I’ve seen says the 9 doesn’t add much velocity-I’ve even read a couple instances where some 9’s may even lose speed as extra drag on the tube after the powders burned has a negative effect. To me, a long barreled firearm “should” have significantly more power than a handgun
 
Shibadog said:
I agree, use an 1894 Marlin .44 and an 1892 Winchester .357 to go with my revolvers, however either of those rounds picks up pretty decent extra velocity from a longer tube (not to mention being a lot stouter to start with). Everything I’ve seen says the 9 doesn’t add much velocity-I’ve even read a couple instances where some 9’s may even lose speed as extra drag on the tube after the powders burned has a negative effect. To me, a long barreled firearm “should” have significantly more power than a handgun
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One thing I have observed is that many people tend to shoot a long arm better than a pistol, that possibly plays into it along with they just like it. And there is the perception of a 9mm penetrating less in apartments than a .223. Have heard both sides of that but never looked into the. 223 hard.

I have considered a pdw sized 9mm since getting a 9mm. I keep kicking it around just because I like combos.
 
I have loaded pistols stashed away in every room in my house. Some rooms have more than one hidden pistol. But all my rifles and shotguns are stored away and not loaded. I do keep a few magazines loaded for the rifles, stored with them, but all my long guns are not quickly accessible. Besides all kinds of loaded pistols around the house, I keep one "long gun" ready to go. That is my Ruger .45 LC Carbine. I love this thing. And it is so much fun to shoot. I'm really starting to put a big dent in my supply of .45 ammo because of it. This thing will reach out far enough for any defensive needs I have around my place. I'm patiently waiting on suppressors to become available for the poor man, without having to dish out money to Big Brother. Hopefully it will happen, so I can fit a suppressor to this.
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Shibadog said:
Ok, just for background I live in the country, nearest neighbor is a few hundred yards away. Second, I’m well on my 75th trip around the sun and started shooting and hunting 68 years ago, so I’m not new to firearms. So yesterday I’m in the local toy shop seeing what they have that I can’t live without🙄. There on the rack is an AR 9mm carbine, complete with optical sight, vertical foregrip and flashlight. Two young bucks are ‘oohing” and “aahhing” and generally drooling all over this thing. I picked it up and the darn thing has got to weigh 7.5 or 8 lbs😳. They also haa Henry Homestreader in 9, also a fairly chunky monkey ( though a good bit lighter than the AR). Also on the rack was an AR15A2, a mini 14, a mini 30, an M1 .30 carbine (original Inland) and a 45/70 guide gun, ALL of which are lighter swing faster, are similar in size AND pack between 3 and 9 times the power of the 9mm. If you want/need a rifle, why would you not want rifle power? I know 9 is cheap to shoot, but 9 even from a 16.5 tube is a pretty weak sister even compared to a little .223, much less to a serious rifle cartridge. I know I’m not one of the Kewl Kids, and I’ve no interest in playing Rambo and doing mag dumps. but If I need a rifle, then I WANT a Rifle. Frankly I’d take the M1, the GuideGun or any of the others WAY before I’d grab any 9 mm “Rifle”. So, other than a range toy, why a 9mm rifle? Must be a reason but I sure don’t get it. For a SD firearm, or even a gun for around the farm for varmint control why would you want less power, less range and at an distance less accuracy?
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Did you mention your thoughts to the salivators? Would be interesting to hear their reply.
 
Grayfox said:
You're not alone. I have two ARs simply because so many people don't want me to have them. Yeah, I'm stubborn like that. 😁
My preferred rifle for CQB is the old M1 Carbine. For anything beyond that, the M1As come out. (y)

As for red dots, powered optics, lasers and such, never trust your life to anything that requires a battery. The few that I have are on quick release mounts and have back-up iron sights. ;)
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Seconds on the M-1 carbine. Have four of them, Inland, Quality Hardware, Rockoka and a PMC. All work as expected, even the civilian one. Carried one(M-2) in the Nam. IMO, far superior to the M-16. Lighter, did NOT jam, and was easier to carry. Only problem was ammo supply. Used to trade “battle souvenirs for cans of ammo with a LOACH team attached to regiment. (Being an FO,nI could get away with a lot of stuff!)
 
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