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If you carry for Heavens sake USE IT

Its NOT a question of can you outdraw a weapon already pointed at you; ITS what happens when you give up your gun to someone who has already tried to murder at least two Cops, who BTW were armed?

Thats an easy one for me; but you guys decide for yourselves
 
I didn’t read all of the replies on this thread so I may be repeating. This is one reason I always have a pocket gun no matter what is in the waist. If I am approach with a weapon in hand and a demand for any sort of valuables is given. I just comply reach in my pocket, if my hand is not already there, and give the person a few of my Speer gold dots. That’s the plan anyway. I hope it never happens.
 
Tremor said:
I didn’t read all of the replies on this thread so I may be repeating. This is one reason I always have a pocket gun no matter what is in the waist. If I am approach with a weapon in hand and a demand for any sort of valuables is given. I just comply reach in my pocket, if my hand is not already there, and give the person a few of my Speer gold dots. That’s the plan anyway. I hope it never happens.
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Yes THIS. A second gun in a pocket is a great idea, even if its a micro 22lr
 
Well no one can speak for the man or woman that was involved in the incident as to what should have been done or what they would have done. The question that seems to go unanswered is why the people on the trail didn't hear the gunshots and act accordingly. I don't imagine the criminal was shooting suppressed. The wife and I wouldn't wear ear buds or muffs when out in nature. After hearing the gunshots I would have taken the wife back to the car or got off the trail. Then being prepared we would have had the chance to change the outcome (getting robbed).
 
southtex said:
Well no one can speak for the man or woman that was involved in the incident as to what should have been done or what they would have done. The question that seems to go unanswered is why the people on the trail didn't hear the gunshots and act accordingly. I don't imagine the criminal was shooting suppressed. The wife and I wouldn't wear ear buds or muffs when out in nature. After hearing the gunshots I would have taken the wife back to the car or got off the trail. Then being prepared we would have had the chance to change the outcome (getting robbed).
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My guess and its only a GUESS is that its more Maryland Mindset. I wouldnt be surprised if the victim had ever heard a gunshot without hearing protection; but it could be that the trail is surrounded by trees or loops a housing arear or in near a road; all those things could confuse anyone not used to gunshot noises.

Again this is not meant to be a critique of the victims ONLY the mindset that gave up the gun without a fight
 
KillerFord1977 said:
No F’ing way you are getting the first shot off if you have a gun pointed at you already. Ever. Don’t F’ing try that bravado 💩 on me. I draw a 1 second or less shot. Still not beating a trigger pull.
This hiker may have had AirPods in, not heard them coming or many other reasons to be instantly staring down a barrel of a gun. Mindset can be 100%, doesn’t mean your in an instant position where you can always pull your gun and win.
If you, Pieter, are walking along and I come around the corner with my gun already up and ready to engage you instantly, that is a fight you won’t win. Trigger pull is quicker. Only reason you walk away is their accuracy sucks. But no one knows that until the trigger is pulled.
How many perps try to pull their gun on an officer that already has his gun pointed at the suspect. The results show the officers shoot the suspect every time first
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That’s why you practice moving anything to buy a second. I’m not going to just let the guy shoot me without me at least trying. How do I know if he is as willing as I am to pull the trigger.
 
Lab4Us said:
People sure do make a lot of assumptions of a situation they did not personally experience, involving people they’ve never met. Not surprising, I guess.
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This is not an assumption of what happened. I think I was pretty clear about that. This was meant as a discussion about mindset and not giving up your gun. It was never meant as a how fast you can draw. It was a mistake to even go down that path.

The discussion should have been about mindset and what to do when faced with that situation. Somehow it got turned into an argument about bravado when it should have been how can we deal with that situation
 
PieterCoetzee said:
This is not an assumption of what happened. I think I was pretty clear about that. This was meant as a discussion about mindset and not giving up your gun. It was never meant as a how fast you can draw. It was a mistake to even go down that path.

The discussion should have been about mindset and what to do when faced with that situation. Somehow it got turned into an argument about bravado when it should have been how can we deal with that situation
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That’s the way I took it as mindset. There is far too many people who buy a firearm and never prepare themselves mentally.
But I would like to see video of a one second draw from concealment and hitting the A zone at 10 yards in one second.
 
Condition1 said:
That’s the way I took it as mindset. There is far too many people who buy a firearm and never prepare themselves mentally.
But I would like to see video of a one second draw from concealment and hitting the A zone at 10 yards in one second.
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It’s societal.

Let’s be honest. This is ‘Merica! One can pretty much buy anything they want, within limits as it relates to guns. So people tend to think that if you pay a certain amount of money the net result at the end of the day is that you will be able to do it, to use it, to gain from it. Let’s not even throw in any kind of training.

It’s like paying to have your brakes fixed, or paying for a magazine subscription. Or getting a prescription medicine. They’re paying for a service and they expect it to be done. They don’t figure they need any ability themselves or that they’re going to have to put some of themselves into it to really gain from it.
 
Anchorite said:
It’s societal.

Let’s be honest. This is ‘Merica! One can pretty much buy anything they want, within limits as it relates to guns. So people tend to think that if you pay a certain amount of money the net result at the end of the day is that you will be able to do it, to use it, to gain from it. Let’s not even throw in any kind of training.

It’s like paying to have your brakes fixed, or paying for a magazine subscription. Or getting a prescription medicine. They’re paying for a service and they expect it to be done. They don’t figure they need any ability themselves or that they’re going to have to put some of themselves into it to really gain from it.
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Totally agree but it still blows my mind.
 
I don’t know how you can fix people who won’t even consider training. We sell guns every day and suggest training options from several different instructors but maybe one in fifty that it.

It amazes me when people bring their guns in to be cleaned because they don’t know how. I’m at least encouraged that they fired it

Ive seen TOO MANY folks that think merely "having" a gun is all thats needed. Its like just having birth control pills is enough to keep you from getting pregnant. First you have to know how, then you have to USE IT
 
PieterCoetzee said:
It amazes me when people bring their guns in to be cleaned because they don’t know how. I’m at least encouraged that they fired it
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I can assure you I can disassemble and thoroughly clean every gun I own. But I can freely admit after a good day at the range (say maybe 3-4 different 1911s, 100-200 rounds each), a couple of rifles, that I’ve wondered as I sit staring at them on my table if it wouldn’t be better to let someone else clean them for a few bucks - then I remember the folks I meet that work at gun stores…and doubt any of them would/could clean them to the extent I would consider them clean!
 
Lab4Us said:
I can assure you I can disassemble and thoroughly clean every gun I own. But I can freely admit after a good day at the range (say maybe 3-4 different 1911s, 100-200 rounds each), a couple of rifles, that I’ve wondered as I sit staring at them on my table if it wouldn’t be better to let someone else clean them for a few bucks - then I remember the folks I meet that work at gun stores…and doubt any of them would/could clean them to the extent I would consider them clean!
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Hahaha then I guess its best you clean them yourself. Personally I dont clean any customer gun. I will gladly show a customer HOW to clean their guns. The gunsmith does the cleaning and charges gunsmith rates. Thats the penalty the customer pays for being lazy.
 
When I worked at gun shops, I cleaned guns for people. And one occasion, I cleaned a 642 for gentlemen. I don’t remember what the gun shop charged him but when he saw the job I did on the gun claimed it was cleaner than when he bought it new. He gave me a nice tip.
 
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