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When I was working nights I made a point of fueling the company car at a gas station in the middle of nowhere.

It's funny, I drive past one of them on my way home now. When I went there it was 10 miles out of town. Now it's solidly in town.

We get gas on the way out of town. The gas station I use is kind of a PITA because I have to navigate construction to get there but that means anybody who is up to some **** has to navigate the same construction.

I park at the last island out with the car pointed at the shortest route out of the parking lot.
 
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RedGoat said:
OK. So from now on I carry an AR slung onto my body in combat ready mode when I go buy gas? Or maybe I get a little more choosy about when and where I buy gas?

Sorry 'bout that... Just busting your chops a little. :p :D ;) I get what you're saying. Parking at a gas pump and dismounting from your vehicle instantly places one in a rather vulnerable spot with little to
RedGoat said:
OK. So from now on I carry an AR slung onto my body in combat ready mode when I go buy gas? Or maybe I get a little more choosy about when and where I buy gas?

Sorry 'bout that... Just busting your chops a little. :p :D ;) I get what you're saying. Parking at a gas pump and dismounting from your vehicle instantly places one in a rather vulnerable spot with little to maneuver. In populous urban and suburban areas, it can be hazardous.

My standard safety practices when gassing up my vehicle are: 1) Be choosy about when and where I purchase gas, 2) Position my vehicle so that the driver door is clear of the pump itself and any of those pesky concrete & steel protection posts. 3) Maximize the distance between my vehicle and the pump. Most people park much closer than necessary 4) Chamber a round in my AR (just kidding, but I DO make certain that my carry gun is readily accessible) and lastly, 5) Keep my head on a swivel while dismounted. Go to an elevated alert level and STAY OFF my cotton pickin' cell phone. I keep it handy, but I don't actually use it while dismounted.
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Urban , suburban , even rural -ish . ALL ( ok 90 % of stations containing 98% of total pumps ) stations are 8 to 16 pumps , with attached store / restaurant. Mayberry style 2 pump , 2 service bay gas stations have been economically unviable for 20 plus years .

At any given moment., there are more people going to store / restaurant, than literally getting gas . So there is non stop flow of vehicles moving slow in proximity.

Ironically, while l posted about the probability of multiple bad guys , and l advocate extra ammo ,.the odds are it will be settled one way or other or the still other , within a revolver load .
 
Old_Me said:
we can only have 10 round mags here.

the president of my gun club said, he'd be pretty diappointed if it takes more than that to stop the threat.

i do not carry an extra mag, and haven't since i got my ccw back in 2021.

mostly its a weight issue, coupled with where do i put it..???

as it is with my body frame, concealed works best for me, with out any sort of "printing"
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What socialist enclave do you inhabit?
 
Old_Me said:
they had better be extra heavy duty

point is Peter, does it really matter what YOU carry..??

shot placement is more important than caliber or number of rounds one carries.

if YOU need to carry a 45, and then maybe 6 magazines, are you defending yourself to stop the threat or are YOU looking for a personal war, by going into areas you perhaps should never go to...???

is someone trying to prove something to others, carrying all that ammo...????

to me, it may prove, that one is a bad shooter, and needs to constantly reload
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Not going to argue that shot placement is key. I agree that bullet technology is improved. I will say that the most important thing to have in a gunfight is to have a gun.

One thing, its my thing, I always carry a reload. I don't care if it's a couple of speed strips for a wheel gun, or one or two spare mags. If it is a normal day it's one spare mag. A high capacity mag. Filled with current "best" ammo.

Mags fail. People also tend to move when things become energetic. Getting key shot placement might be problematic and require multiple attempts. There is an expectation of less than ideal conditions. Adrenaline dumps, target focus, auditory exclusion, other people possibly losing their shi... mind.
 
Biggfoot44 said:
Last island , closest to entrance/ exit , has the Most traffic passing in close proximity.
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Everything's a trade off. Last island, closest to the entrance is the shortest route out of the gas station.

We generally fill up at 3/4 of a tank of gas and we do that on our own time schedule. I have the luxury of being able to skip the crowded gas station to go to the one that's not crowded.

I also have the luxury of not having to fill up during rush hour
 
RedGoat said:
Excellent point(s) to add to the list of "gas purchasing tactics". Who would've ever thunk that I'd live to see the day when said tactical list would be such that it would almost be worthy of creating a full blown "military tactical manual" ?
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Gas station parking lots are By Definition Transitional Spaces

The only person I'm aware of who has compiled any database on Citizen Defender shootings in the United States is Tom Givens.

His database is 66.

One person was caught off guard and robbed. he gave up his wallet and the robber left. No shots fired.

Three people were unarmed and were murdered.

Sixty Two fought back and won/survived.

No percentage was given but "Most" of the fights occurred during the hours of darkness (6PM to 6AM) in Well Lit parking lots (gas stations/convenience stores which carries its own lesson).

According to Givens the majority of the 63 occurred between one and two car lengths.
 
Wow! This thread has wandered all over the countryside! It has also produced some very stimulating discussion on a number of topics related to the original post... Just to remind all, here are what I feel are the key parts of the parent posting... I'm not saying don't go off the main topic. It's all good! :cool:

Let's summarize:
PieterCoetzee said:
... I carry a spare mag like I carry a spare tyre. I probably wont need it; but Im more likely to have a mag related problem then a total gun failure... Dont get me wrong there are times I carry two spare mags OR a 5.7 with 70 rounds (2 spare mags), and Im the guy that wants a mag pouch that holds SIX 1911 mags...
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I think that everyone who's engaged on this forum has some sort of opinion about this topic, some of us maybe more than one... ;)
PieterCoetzee said:
Has ammo quality and bullet performance changed that much?
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I think that this has also been kicked around quite a bit. Depending upon the meaning "quality", I think most of agree that we have more and better options for our defensive carry rounds than our dads and grandads could've ever imagined. That's a gen-you-wine Good Thing.

To the single question posted in the parent post: Yes, I believe that the quality of available self-defense ammo in terms of bullet performance definitely makes a difference in what one can "get away with" in terms of defensive carry gun selection.

One thing that's has NEVER changed since the days of yore: Ya gotta get an effective hit (sometimes more than one) in order to end the fight, and gunfights are very "dynamic", making the task of getting effective hits very challenging.

Carry on, everybody!!
 
RedGoat said:
Wow! This thread has wandered all over the countryside! It has also produced some very stimulating discussion on a number of topics related to the original post... Just to remind all, here are what I feel are the key parts of the parent posting... I'm not saying don't go off the main topic. It's all good! :cool:

Let's summarize:

I think that everyone who's engaged on this forum has some sort of opinion about this topic, some of us maybe more than one... ;)

I think that this has also been kicked around quite a bit. Depending upon the meaning "quality", I think most of agree that we have more and better options for our defensive carry rounds than our dads and grandads could've ever imagined. That's a gen-you-wine Good Thing.

To the single question posted in the parent post: Yes, I believe that the quality of available self-defense ammo in terms of bullet performance definitely makes a difference in what one can "get away with" in terms of defensive carry gun selection.

One thing that's has NEVER changed since the days of yore: Ya gotta get an effective hit (sometimes more than one) in order to end the fight, and gunfights are very "dynamic", making the task of getting effective hits very challenging.

Carry on, everybody!!
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Listen Mr.! We don't put trains back on the track around these parts! lol
 
RedGoat said:
Excellent point(s) to add to the list of "gas purchasing tactics". Who would've ever thunk that I'd live to see the day when said tactical list would be such that it would almost be worthy of creating a full blown "military tactical manual" ?
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I only purchase gas in the mornings.

Keep my back to the vehicle, driver door open, looking to my left over the fuel line (standing between open driver door and gas cap).

Occasionally look to my right. Building entrance in my line of sight to the right.

When driving, I also stop behind the vehicle in front of me so I can see its rear tires in case I have to maneuver away.

Simple habits, really.
 
The Night Rider said:
We generally fill up at 3/4 of a tank of gas and we do that on our own time schedule.
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Or , flip side , you're doubling your " occasions of exposure " .


The Night Rider said:
I have the luxury of being able to skip the crowded gas station to go to the one that's not crowded.

I also have the luxury of not having to fill up during rush hour
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Regional environments change , and local contexts vary . I suppose some places , 'jackers are essentially generic muggers who steal car keys instead of wallets . But that's different from Professional Carjacking Specialists .

The specialists strike at exact moments of Transitions . Loading groceries into car . Picking up or dropping off people , such as at restaurant or an event . Or fueling up .

The vehicle is unlocked, alarm not set , other security measures not engaged . Because you're Right There , and only take 30 sec to 3 minutes to do what you're doing.

Vehicle is either idling , or keys in it , or on the driver standing right there .

Doesn't need a packed crowd , just where cars normally drive by slowly . Like at grocery and big box stores . Like at restaurants . Like at gas stations with attached stores ( which are all of them ) .

If 5 - 10 vehicles are routinely entering or exiting the establishment ( to include pausing to yield to other vehicles ) during the time to fill up , it's not possible to go Condition Red on each one .

Once the BG's jump out to make their move , the Rob -ee is covered from multiple angles within 2 seconds.
 
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