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Marijuana use and 2nd Amendment case before Supreme Court

Seriously dude get your learn on.
Bro, the vast majority of my experience with it was spent dealing with the [edit] on the street and the [edit] executives. I did raid a house grow, because the owners left the door open and neighbors thought there was a problem. As soon as I walked onto the porch to knock on the door to do a welfare check. I knew I had a problem.... the whole basement and some of the upper rooms had been made into hot houses; but the rest of the place looked normal, except you immediately got hit by the smell. Ive seen homeless camps that looked better

Im still not ready to accept it as a legal substance, even a medically prescribed substance. I think it needs more study and more restricted use.
 
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Aside from medicinal use, which I still question the efficacy of, and is prescribed like candy by far too many physicians, dope is for dopes. Add to that the primary reason governments legalize it...enormous tax revenue. Not a sound reason in my opinion.
Anyone who has worked in law enforcement or the medical field knows that nothing good can come from using cannabis, only detriment.
 
Aside from medicinal use, which I still question the efficacy of, and is prescribed like candy by far too many physicians, dope is for dopes. Add to that the primary reason governments legalize it...enormous tax revenue. Not a sound reason in my opinion.
Anyone who has worked in law enforcement or the medical field knows that nothing good can come from using cannabis, only detriment.
YES YES YES
 
Aside from medicinal use, which I still question the efficacy of
(y) There is medical benefits to nicotine also but you don't see Dr.'s prescribing a half pack of Marlboros a day.
Seriously dude get your learn on.
From what I've seen it is grown in pharmaceutical lab like conditions. You must have missed the medical part I mentioned.
Thus the reason Trump wants it reclassified into a different schedule. The scheduled classification now means it CANNOT be 50 state standards.
The new classification will allow government studies to determine new medical uses etc.
Right now every state has its own health department classification for the grow houses. I have relatives and friends who are union construction workers and they were AMAZED at the amount of infrastructure that went into these grow buildings. They actually referred to them as laboratories that happened to grow cannabis.
Carbon and HEPA filtration incoming and outgoing as well as UV filters/insect killers.
Seriously dude, that's not how it is working out here in Maine. It is being grown and run by Chinese Organized Crime. They are also adding other crap to it. I question the "laboratories that happened to grow cannabis." Sorry call me a doubting Thomas.
 
I support your passion but I dont think you understand what your saying. So felons should be able to own guns...Is that all felons or just those convicted of non violent crimes, would that include child sex offenders? Would that be felons out on parole? Could they own guns while on house arrest? Howbout when they are in prison, can their guns be waiting for them when they get out, because of course theres no such thing as recidivism of learned activities? RIGHT?

Theres more but moving from felons, should illegals be able to own guns, I mean only breaking the law to enter shouldnt be infringing? RIGHT? What about those with no identification history, since any illegal can obtain a drivers license just by saying my name is _______? What about those we have zero knowledge of there purpose here, since no illegal might come here with terrorist purposes?

Should children be able to own firearms, you certainly dont want to infringe upon their rights?

Aaaaaaand what about mental subjects. Are they part of the shall not be infringed?

You say youre in law enforcement, I applaud that but I ask you if you really thought about what you said? If you think the above questions were tough or harsh, wait till youre on the stand. Those were easy; but I suspect your passion got the better of you.

Yes we are all pro 2nd amendment but I suspect we all understand that shall not be infringed doesnt include everybody, anybody, and everything, because I assure you there are folks out there that want a nuke, is that part of the shall not be infringed? What about chemical weapons and explosives, are they included. IDK maybe youve never been shot at, maybe youve never met repeat violent offenders, maybe youve never dealt with a bomb maker putting together explosives in his basement AND maybe youve never had a felon threaten to kill your family, then describe them and where you live.

Stay safe
Easy. Anyone 18 or over, that is a US Citizen. Pretty straight forward, and generally considered across the board that all rights apply.

Felons? ALL Felons. With that being said, I would be far more harsh on sentencing, too. No dangerous felon should ever see the light of day again. Either death penalty or life in prison. If they are not that dangerous that they can be in society, then they should have full rights. Not restored, just not taken away.

As far as parole/probation, they have to wait until they are done with that. Becuase that is part of thier sentence. Once they're done, though, automatic rights.
Interestingly, that's exactly what I do. I am a parole agent. I walk into the homes of known felons daily. I know darn well that some of them have guns already. And I read the rap sheets, many of them have multiple arrests for person to possess, carrying without a license, etc....it doesn't stop them anyway.
Child sex offenders? Again, if they are free in society, of course. Statically, sex offenders are the least likely to reoffend, and, typically aren't "violent." I know this for sure because it's my specialty, I have supervised a sex offender specific caseload for 3.5 years Most of the time I don't even wear my vest and carry all of my gear when making my rounds as I know that statically it's "safe."

I will even go so far as possession, in and of itself, should never be illegal. It's the act of using the tool that should be illegal. That's what we always say, it's not the tool, it's the criminal. So it's kind of hypocritical to say someone shouldn't be allowed to have the tool.

Again, being in parole, I know full well about recidivism. We have a revolving door of individuals. Doesn't change my stance.

Safety is an individual responsibility, not the governments. People need to take responsibility for themselves and not tryst the government to do it for them.
 
Why do you say that? If its just your opinion, I get that; but if thats the case, I think chocolate cake shouldnt make me fat....BUT to you statement theres zero good justifications for your assertion. PERHAPS (note the emphasis) if there was an industry standard, if there were some sort of regulated grow process to limit and confirm how it was grown, under what conditions, to produce "X" purity and results BUT those dont esist. You say youre in law enforcement, can you really say the drug dealers (even just the pot growers) are interested in the purity of their product? I ask because of all the dealers that I ever dealt with, all they were interested in was money. They didnt care about grow standards, quality or fear adding anything to make the high better so more people would buy from them. They also didnt care if anything added like embalming fluid, was harmful to the users

Again I hear your passion but I think its that speaking without you thinking
Becuase there is no constitutional, justifiable reason for it to not be. There's especaillay no reason for alcohol to be legal and not pot.
Honestly, I'll take a pot head over an alcoholic any day.

I HATE drug dealers. But we're talking about users, not dealers.

I take the 2nd seriously and i don't see an except marijuana users clause in there.
 
Well which people; because if youre reading the Constitution from the time of the writing of the Bill of Rights, about 2/3s of todays citizens, wouldnt be citizens, and Oh by the way only property owners could vote. So lets be sure what we're talking about before we make these passionate statements
Any US Citizen 18 or over. That is generally accepted across the board as having all legal rights applied.
 
Any US Citizen 18 or over. That is generally accepted across the board as having all legal rights applied.
Soooo you mean the modern interpretation of a citizen NOT what was considered a citizen when the constitution and 2nd amendment were written. If thats the case then since the concept of citizenship has changed has the shall not also been changed?

Dont answer that.. it was just to show the holes in the argument. I actually agree with much of what has been said here, its just that we need a better argument
 
I HATE drug dealers. But we're talking about users, not dealers.
No we're not just talking about the users. Again I applaud your passion; but I think youre not seeing the whole picture.

I actually respect the dealers, notice that I didnt say that I liked them (I DONT). I respect them for finding a niche and marketing it. Its the users that I have issues with, they are the weak ones who KNOW its illegal but like how it makes them feel and dont care that its illegal. If its not a clinical addiction, then its close. Dealers only take advantage of their weakness, the same way a hot woman who drinks too much in a bar gets taken advantage of buy guys who see her weakness. Dealers take advantage of the desire for the Pot and have done lots to increase the High and the desire. The same way a guy in the bar buys another drink for the already drunk woman.

So is it really the dealers fault or the buyers? Cuz remember that woman in the bar, just wants to have a good time...

The problem is the money from the users empower the dealer and their organization. Then lets not even talk about the gateway to other drugs and what addicts will do to obtain the drugs; legalizing it wont change the addict, except to make getting the drug (but no the money to buy it) easier.
 
There's really no argument. It's akin to the same folks who broke the law and drank alcohol at speak-easy's when alcohol was illegal are the same one's now beating their chests about cannabis.
No difference
 
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Everyone has an opinion and here is mine.
When you have an incurable cancer and chemo is destroying your body, opioids are not the answer for pain relief due to becoming addicted to them.
If anyone chooses to try medical cannabis to help get through their day, then I am all for it.
In the eyes of all these enforcement officers see this as criminal then I am happy to be called such.
Hopefully none of you will be subjected to this illness.
 
Everyone has an opinion and here is mine.
When you have an incurable cancer and chemo is destroying your body, opioids are not the answer for pain relief due to becoming addicted to them.
If anyone chooses to try medical cannabis to help get through their day, then I am all for it.
In the eyes of all these enforcement officers see this as criminal then I am happy to be called such.
Hopefully none of you will be subjected to this illness.
Sorry to hear of your cancer. I would still opt for opioids in that situation. They provide more pain relief, and how much does addiction really matter in the grand scheme of things? Wishing you well, and a full recovery, then wean off the opioids. I was prescribed opioids for 2 full years, then stopped. Felt like I had the flu for one week is all.
 
Keep those F++++++ grow nurseries far from residents!
There was an established neighborhood in WA where a weed nursery was approved and constructed.
"How do I find your house?"
"When you smell skunk, take a right and I'm the second home on the left."
 
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