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You can talk it up all you want, but the round is weak and obsolete. There is a reason SO's ditched the platform so fast. MP5 and 9mm is superior in every way. And my MPX is a similar footprint. I'll take either that or an MP5K over that any day of the week.

It's not the greatest looking either, but I don't hate it enough to call it German Keltec. ;)
 
OK guys, show me a better PDW
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OK guys, the MP5 and B&T are NOT Personal Defense Weapons. They are SMGs. PDWs were designed to engage targets out to 200m AND pierce Soviet titanium plate armor. No SMG will do that. PDWs were designed for troops that had other jobs besides Infantry. The PDW was supposed to be the the gun they had on them, not leaning against a tree or in a rack someplace when the paratroopers landed amongst them.

By all accounts 4.6x30 is every bit as good (if not better) as 5.7x28, and it IS available with more than 200 listing on gunbroker alone.

Please stop with the ice pick nonsense. Have you even bothered to watch any gel tests with real self defense ammo (as in sub 30 grains) and again it was designed to defeat titanium armor. It certainly NOT weak

So again show me a better PDW

Right now I wouldnt want a 5.7x28 other than the FiveseveN pistol from FN and the FN P90/PS90. Everything else just wishes it were FNs and dramatically failed along the way to reach the starting line
 
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OK guys, the MP5 and B&T are NOT Personal Defense Weapons. They are SMGs. PDWs were designed to engage targets out to 200m AND pierce Soviet titanium plate armor. No SMG will do that. PDWs were designed for troops that had other jobs besides Infantry. The PDW was supposed to be the the gun they had on them, not leaning against a tree or in a rack someplace when the paratroopers landed amongst them.

By all accounts 4.6x30 is every bit as good (if not better) as 5.7x28, and it IS available with more than 200 listing on gunbroker alone.

Please stop with the ice pick nonsense. Have you even bothered to watch any gel tests with real self defense ammo (as in sub 30 grains) and again it was designed to defeat titanium armor. It certainly NOT weak

So again show me a better PDW

Right now I wouldnt want a 5.7x28 other than the FiveseveN pistol from FN and the FN P90/PS90. Everything else just wishes it were FNs and dramatically failed along the way to reach the starting line
any SBR in .300BO or 5.56 with a 7” barrel with either a folding stock or brace then is a PDW .
Choose your favorite maker then.
It fits the definition.
 
any SBR in .300BO or 5.56 with a 7” barrel with either a folding stock or brace then is a PDW .
Choose your favorite maker then.
It fits the definition.
NO they arent not even close
The intent of a pdw is something roughly pistol sized but fires ammunition that can defeat titanium body armor. It has a much higher velocity at the expense of a lighter non hollow point/expanding bullet.

It fills in where a SMG might have during WW2/Vietnam eras but it has LONGER range and Barrier penetrating capabilities in a small lighter package
 
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NO they arent not even close
It is CLOSE.
The only criteria a SBR does not fit is the Intermediate caliber ammo.
The collapsable stock HK33 and AK74U shorty(krink), Sig Rattler. FN even makes the SCAR shorty listed as a PDW. These are all stated by the manufacturer as a PDW.

Soooo, a 5.56 SBR with super short barrel and collapsable/folding stock DOES fit the definition of a PDW as a COMPACT, MAGAZINE FED, AUTOMATIC FIREARM designed to bridge the gap between a standard handgun and a full-sized service rifle. :)

Definition

Military Definition of a Personal Defense Weapon (PDW)​

In military terms, a Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) is a compact, magazine‑fed automatic firearm designed to bridge the gap between a standard handgun and a full‑sized service rifle. It is intended for secondary defensive use by personnel who are not primary combat troops but may still be at risk of close‑quarters encounters with hostile forces Wikipedia+1.

Core Characteristics​

  • Compact size: Short enough to carry in vehicles, tight spaces, or on the person without hindering normal duties Wikipedia+1.
  • Automatic fire capability: Most military PDWs are select‑fire (semi‑automatic, fully automatic, or burst), allowing rapid engagement in close combat legalclarity.org+1.
  • Intermediate‑caliber ammunition: Fires proprietary small‑caliber, high‑velocity bottleneck cartridges (e.g., 5.7×28 mm FN, 4.6×30 mm HK) that offer better range, accuracy, and armor penetration than pistol‑caliber rounds, but less recoil than full‑power rifle cartridges Wikipedia+1.
  • High magazine capacity: Often 20–50 rounds, enabling sustained fire in defensive scenarios legalclarity.org.
  • Role: Issued to rear‑echelon or support personnel such as engineers, drivers, medics, artillery crews, and communications specialists who need more firepower than a handgun but don’t require the bulk of a carbine Wikipedia+2.

Origins and Purpose​

The concept emerged from the need to arm “second‑line” soldiers — those not expected to engage the enemy directly — with a weapon that could handle close‑quarters threats beyond handgun capability. Early examples include WWI machine pistols with stocks and WWII M1 carbines, but modern PDWs evolved in the late 1980s/1990s to meet NATO and U.S. Army requirements for compact, selective‑fire weapons Wikipedia+1.

Examples​

  • FN P90 – 5.7×28 mm, 50‑round top‑feeding magazine, widely used by military and police Wikipedia+1.
  • Heckler & Koch MP7 – 4.6×30 mm, 20–40‑round box magazine, used by U.S. military and NATO forces legalclarity.org+1.
In summary: Militarily, a PDW is a compact, automatic‑firing, intermediate‑caliber weapon designed for close‑defense scenarios by non‑frontline troops, balancing portability, firepower, and effectiveness
 
It is CLOSE.
Yes it IS close and there are some overlaps but a 7" 556 has limited usefulness except a lot of flash. The Krinks are closer because the cartridges (especially 762x39) and 300Black Out perform better in shorter barrels BUT they are large and heavy (too large and heavy for anything concealed). Those cartridges were NOT designed for the PDW role

Now I suppose you can "call" anything a PDW but thats like calling a pick up truck a sports car> You can also use anything to defend yourself...and there is a lot of overlap once you remove the 200m meter requirement and the ability to defeat titanium armor and the requirement for a small light package. I like the FLUX type guns because they meet the concealability role but they arent true PDWs
 
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Yes it IS close and there are some overlaps but a 7" 556 has limited usefulness except a lot of flash. The Krinks are closer because the cartridges (especially 762x39) and 300Black Out perform better in shorter barrels BUT they are large and heavy (too large and heavy for anything concealed). Those cartridges were NOT designed for the PDW role
Yet these firearms ARE USED by military and LE as PDWs. soo, back to your statement "NO they arent not even close" is incorrect. They are close. They are designed by the manufacturer as a PDW. and they out perform a standard pistol cartridge as intended by the need. The original PDW was set in the early 80's ish timeframe. the PDW has EVOLVED to include modern arms making for SBR's. As defined as a PDW... :) a lot of the 5.56 SBR are as light as an MP5 or Uzi. once again designed to be a PDW.
 
NO they arent not even close
The intent of a pdw is something roughly pistol sized but fires ammunition that can defeat titanium body armor. It has a much higher velocity at the expense of a lighter non hollow point/expanding bullet.

It fills in where a SMG might have during WW2/Vietnam eras but it has LONGER range and Barrier penetrating capabilities in a small lighter package
oh, BTW, that was the initial reasoning behind the M1 Carbine in WW2 over the Garand.
M1 carbine is an original PDW.
 
Yes it was meant to be small and issued to non combat personnel but it doesnt meant the modern definition of the PDW program
Fair point.
So the PDW has evolved into a modern definition as stated. that leads the definition of a PDW to have evolved.... guess what that leads to....
See post #50, #52 and #54 :)
 
Fair point.
So the PDW has evolved into a modern definition as stated. that leads the definition of a PDW to have evolved.... guess what that leads to....
See post #50, #52 and #54 :)
OK but a Corvette is always gonna be a Corvette and maybe Mustangs are called sports cars; but they are more muscle car than sports car, no matter what you call them
 
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