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New Prodigy - Failure To Battery

Welcome from the north central Illinois where we want Chicago to become a swamp again.

Personally I am an OEM person. Yes I have had firearms that didn’t like OEM parts but have had a bit to break in. It might be the ammo but I have no issues with running Aguila 124 grain lately in different pistols. My 2 cents (times over rated) is try to keep the OEM stuff just in case you have to send it in.
 
UPDATE. Still failure to battery with the stock guide rod/spring. I did dry cycle it a couple thousand times (seems like) but to no avail. So back to Springfield.

Totally agree with Model457, a $1200 gun should work reasonably out the box.

Clarification on BassCliff's assumption that maybe this malfunction is due to lack of 'cleaning'. That does not apply. My pre-inspection, as noted, means determining if a deep cleaning is necessary. I know what a clean gun should look like. This gun was pretty pristine and well lubricated. There was no packing grease, nor manufacturing detritus like machine shavings present. My lite lube means I always as habit wipe down the internals just for good measure, so I reapply lube that was removed by wiping. I do not consider that cleaning... but maybe so.

Interesting conversation with another certified armorer at the range. He said he has seen this same malfunction on new 1911 type guns, even Stacattos and Colts. He said the habit of using a stronger recoil spring can 'fix' the problem, but in many cases it does not really resolve the problem, but masks the real problem.
He said the real problem is a misaligned breech/ramp face which causes the rear end of a cartridge to slightly hang up when transitioning from the magazine. (Somehow he also included the extractor in the description but I did not quite understand everything about that...) Using a stronger recoil spring over-powers the cartridge hang and everything works normally, and it is an easy fix so most folks go that route (including for over-applied cerakot). He says the real fix is honing and polishing the breech face, ramp, and extractor surfaces.

He did not think this is a disconnector hang because the slide stalls well past the disconnector/stripper contact.

Anyway, stayed tuned. Hope Springfield will make it right.
 
Aguila has some lower powered rounds out there ( I know, I just bought 1500 rounds of it) for practice/range testing.
It’s possible you got some of this, and the gun doesn’t like it. I also have 2K of normal Aguila on the way…

Otherwise… put the factory spring back in it. If it still fails to run, send it back in.

My original Prodigy was pretty bad, sent it into SA and it came back outstanding.
Only after having some considerable ammo down range with it did I replace the internals with either an EGW or Dawson guide rod, and EGW ignition kit. Sold to a friend, still enjoying it.

Good luck.
 
I hear about this limp wristing all the time, i have tried to make several handguns fail by doing that without one failure. even had Radical arms tell me i wasn't holding the butttock tight enough on my shoulder is why their POS AR10 jammed every round. limp wrist may be a thing but i never experienced it and i have tried to on several guns.
 
I hear about this limp wristing all the time, i have tried to make several handguns fail by doing that without one failure. even had Radical arms tell me i wasn't holding the butttock tight enough on my shoulder is why their POS AR10 jammed every round. limp wrist may be a thing but i never experienced it and i have tried to on several guns.
I saw it often with novice students in my courses, especially with women and lightly built men. Also with experienced shooters who transitioned to a lightweight firearm. Never saw it with construction workers or sawyers or guys who watched lots of dirty movies. ... 😉
 
I hear about this limp wristing all the time, i have tried to make several handguns fail by doing that without one failure. even had Radical arms tell me i wasn't holding the butttock tight enough on my shoulder is why their POS AR10 jammed every round. limp wrist may be a thing but i never experienced it and i have tried to on several guns.
Shoot with my wife… :)
If she gets lazy, hasn’t shot for a while…. She could do this with a few different pistols.
Including my Staccato P and my old Prodigy.. to which, I’d drop the mag, rack, and finish off the mag without issue.
Afterwards, she’d concentrate on her grip a little more and finish out the range session without issue.

To be fair, I’ve never been painted as “lightly built”… :)
 
Hi,

UPDATE. Still failure to battery with the stock guide rod/spring. I did dry cycle it a couple thousand times (seems like) but to no avail. So back to Springfield.

Totally agree with Model457, a $1200 gun should work reasonably out the box.

Clarification on BassCliff's assumption that maybe this malfunction is due to lack of 'cleaning'. That does not apply. My pre-inspection, as noted, means determining if a deep cleaning is necessary. I know what a clean gun should look like. This gun was pretty pristine and well lubricated. There was no packing grease, nor manufacturing detritus like machine shavings present. My lite lube means I always as habit wipe down the internals just for good measure, so I reapply lube that was removed by wiping. I do not consider that cleaning... but maybe so.

Interesting conversation with another certified armorer at the range. He said he has seen this same malfunction on new 1911 type guns, even Stacattos and Colts. He said the habit of using a stronger recoil spring can 'fix' the problem, but in many cases it does not really resolve the problem, but masks the real problem.
He said the real problem is a misaligned breech/ramp face which causes the rear end of a cartridge to slightly hang up when transitioning from the magazine. (Somehow he also included the extractor in the description but I did not quite understand everything about that...) Using a stronger recoil spring over-powers the cartridge hang and everything works normally, and it is an easy fix so most folks go that route (including for over-applied cerakot). He says the real fix is honing and polishing the breech face, ramp, and extractor surfaces.

He did not think this is a disconnector hang because the slide stalls well past the disconnector/stripper contact.

Anyway, stayed tuned. Hope Springfield will make it right.

Well, I guess this is good news, in a way. The mother ship should do right by you. There are tolerances in manufacturing and "tolerance stacking" can be problematic. I'm sure you'll love it once parts are all in spec. I'm hoping to hear more good news when you get it back.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
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