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One of the laws taking effect in Florida July 1st

Onewolf426

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  • SB168
  • What it does: Establishes a model process for local governments to divert mentally ill inmates from jail to treatment. Named the Tristan Murphy Act after a 37-year-old inmate with schizophrenia who killed himself with a chainsaw in 2021 while on a prison work detail. Also:
    • Provides law enforcement officers with crisis intervention team training
    • Establish the Florida Behavioral Health Care Data Repository to collect and analyze existing statewide data related to behavioral health care in the state
  • What it means for you: Inmates with a mental illness, intellectual disability, or autism must be evaluated and provided services in a community setting instead of incarceration, when feasible.
What in tarnation!?! How does one kill themselves intentionally with a chainsaw?
 
Onewolf426 said:
  • SB168
  • What it does: Establishes a model process for local governments to divert mentally ill inmates from jail to treatment. Named the Tristan Murphy Act after a 37-year-old inmate with schizophrenia who killed himself with a chainsaw in 2021 while on a prison work detail. Also:
    • Provides law enforcement officers with crisis intervention team training
    • Establish the Florida Behavioral Health Care Data Repository to collect and analyze existing statewide data related to behavioral health care in the state
  • What it means for you: Inmates with a mental illness, intellectual disability, or autism must be evaluated and provided services in a community setting instead of incarceration, when feasible.
What in tarnation!?! How does one kill themselves intentionally with a chainsaw?
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You would be surprised. We started getting a lot of what they classes as care level 3 inmates in the Feds my institution was made one for medical and metal inmates. We never had a big issue with mental inmates until around 2013 (right after the Affordable Care act shut a bunch down) and let me tell you we didn’t go a day without such major self mutilation happen like outside trip to the ER.

As a LT I have seen inmates jump off 2nd floor tier, cut off digits, like their own eye out, cut their stomachs and have literally feet of intestines exposed. And I could explain more graphic things but for that you’ll have to private message me.

They really don’t need to be in a prison they need to be on heavy doses of some serious medication!
 
What a crock of :poop:! There is a whole slew of codling, hug-a-thug, "we can fix em", self-perpetuating, counselors & head shrinks sobs that find EVERY I/M "sick. It's like having a cold but instead of Nyquil it takes understanding and counseling maybe drugs.:mad:
"What it means for you: Inmates with a mental illness, intellectual disability, or autism must be evaluated and provided services in a community setting instead of incarceration, when feasible."
What it really means for you that the state has better places for your tax $ than protecting the taxpayer so they are going to put criminals in a "halfway house" near you. What could go wrong:rolleyes:
 
This is a very tough thing. I work for State Parole, so we get guys (and gals) after they have done state time for some pretty serous stuff. A significant portion have some serious mental health issues.
They all should have some punishment for the crimes they committed.
However, most don't need to remain in prison.
The issue becomes that most can do well IF they stay medicated.
So, the question is, then, can we FORCE people to be medicated?
I am 100% pro freedom. I am a pure blood, anti-vaxxer. So how do I reconcile that with forced mental health meds?
I have worked in social work for over 10 years and law enforcement goin on 6.
The cycle of mental health people doing well on meds, going off meds, committing a crime, going back on meds, etc...is exhausting.
But WHAT is the answer? Do we keep them locked up in mental institutions for life? Do we let them roam free, but somehow keep tabs and forcibly medicate? DO we just stand on freedom and leave them alone until they commit a new crime?
There injectable mental health meds that last about a month that seem to work pretty well.

I am not taking sides, merely looking for answers
 
We’ve had the mentally ill with us forever , it just wasn’t always recognized as such. It’s expanded way beyond what it used to be (anybody remember how developmentally slow children were once classified as ‘retarded’? A word now only used derisively. Idiot is another). I recall the phrase “criminally insane” but I never knew exactly what that meant, other than “lock ‘em up”… Now “mental illness” has become “behavioral health”.

I DO know one thing - SB168 will result in govt hiring more people to do whatever work they come up with, supported by its very own bureaucratic staff (HR, fiscal people, etc etc). The taxpayer will be expected to foot the bill.
Not saying something shouldn’t be done. But don’t have any illusions the govt can do it.
We need ways to address things without the govt (as it operates now).
 
PAGunGuy said:
I am 100% pro freedom. I am a pure blood, anti-vaxxer. So how do I reconcile that with forced mental health meds?
I have worked in social work for over 10 years and law enforcement goin on 6.
The cycle of mental health people doing well on meds, going off meds, committing a crime, going back on meds, etc...is exhausting.
But WHAT is the answer? Do we keep them locked up in mental institutions for life? Do we let them roam free, but somehow keep tabs and forcibly medicate? DO we just stand on freedom and leave them alone until they commit a new crime?
There injectable mental health meds that last about a month that seem to work pretty well.

I am not taking sides, merely looking for answers
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It's simple. When you commit violent crimes and prove you can't be in society, you lose rights.

These people can't enjoy their second amendment any longer, can they? So that's one major right down the toilet for them. What's the harm in forcing them to medicate at that point?

As long as we keep the caveat that they, beyond the shadow of a doubt, committed violent crimes, then that will keep us off the slippery slope (and I know EXACTLY where your mind is going with this). The "violent criminal conviction" has to be in place as the ONE AND ONLY reason to force medication.

Otherwise, if we can't force medication, then they have to remain incarcerated.
 
Certified Silly Goose said:
It's simple. When you commit violent crimes and prove you can't be in society, you lose rights.

These people can't enjoy their second amendment any longer, can they? So that's one major right down the toilet for them. What's the harm in forcing them to medicate at that point?

As long as we keep the caveat that they, beyond the shadow of a doubt, committed violent crimes, then that will keep us off the slippery slope (and I know EXACTLY where your mind is going with this). The "violent criminal conviction" has to be in place as the ONE AND ONLY reason to force medication.

Otherwise, if we can't force medication, then they have to remain incarcerated.
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The problem is you have issues with folks not registering as sex offenders or going to a court ordered probation meeting WTC etc.

The answer is if the crime they are charged and convicted of is that heinous that the they intentionally kill someone, rape someone etc they don’t get out period.

As for the mental folks that I saw that needed to be in a facility instead of a prison they need to have the. In an in-residence treatment facility. Running amuck with real criminals was basically feeding the alligators
Mi have seen someone who was not a criminal just has fetal alcohol syndrome and the mental capacity of a 4 year old the hospital closed so they started throwing dudes like him in with known evil criminals that guy just gets brutalized. Not really the same as a child molester that gets smashed on the yard!

I know the Feds can and do keep sex offenders past their sentence for treatment at an appropriate secure facility usually Butner NC. I also know they also hold and confine folks deemed not mentally competent for trial. One case someone killed a LEO and he was found unfit for trial but has a BOP number and is at Butner for treatment until he can start the trial (that’s about as much as I will say as this POS is an ex staff Member that was “medically” retired more because he’s a POS than mental
And several of us will be summoned whenever it goes to trial.

So there was and can still be avenues to get the walking wounded that are not criminals treatment away from the public and keep prisons for prisoners!!! It’s a prison not a hospital!

I hear a lot of banter by folks that have never been forced to balance that crap show but they think they got all the answers!

Bless their heart!
 
ECS686 said:
The problem is you have issues with folks not registering as sex offenders or going to a court ordered probation meeting WTC etc.

The answer is if the crime they are charged and convicted of is that heinous that the they intentionally kill someone, rape someone etc they don’t get out period.

As for the mental folks that I saw that needed to be in a facility instead of a prison they need to have the. In an in-residence treatment facility. Running amuck with real criminals was basically feeding the alligators
Mi have seen someone who was not a criminal just has fetal alcohol syndrome and the mental capacity of a 4 year old the hospital closed so they started throwing dudes like him in with known evil criminals that guy just gets brutalized. Not really the same as a child molester that gets smashed on the yard!

I know the Feds can and do keep sex offenders past their sentence for treatment at an appropriate secure facility usually Butner NC. I also know they also hold and confine folks deemed not mentally competent for trial. One case someone killed a LEO and he was found unfit for trial but has a BOP number and is at Butner for treatment until he can start the trial (that’s about as much as I will say as this POS is an ex staff Member that was “medically” retired more because he’s a POS than mental
And several of us will be summoned whenever it goes to trial.

So there was and can still be avenues to get the walking wounded that are not criminals treatment away from the public and keep prisons for prisoners!!! It’s a prison not a hospital!

I hear a lot of banter by folks that have never been forced to balance that crap show but they think they got all the answers!

Bless their heart!
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Hey, he just asked about the ethics of it and I gave him the answer, the rest is up to the pros. Personally, I think repeat violent offenders should be locked up forever without question, regardless of their mental status... be it in a prison or a secure hospital. Our government has a duty to protect the peaceful, and that should be their first priority. Yes, we the peaceful have more rights than the violent.

As for the severely mentally ill, the whole argument "They didn't know what they were doing" has two edges. Well, if they didn't know they were committing violent crimes, then they won't know they're locked up for life. Should be blissful for them.
 
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