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Optic’s viewpoint

Jedi54 said:
yes, technically all things man-made can fail.
I've had gun fail on the range and have seen plenty of students have issues over the years but you play the odds.
get quality gear
maintain it
replace batteries at set intervals

and you play the odds.
for me, every single carry gun now has an optic on it. why? because in the moment with the stress and adrenaline, you will tunnel vision and the odds of you seeing a front sight, let alone properly aligning it, are slim to none and slim just left.
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It’s all how we all train and practice. Yes I’m not perfect or accurate. Every one shoots differently.
 
SimonRL said:
I mentioned in another thread that I think cowitnessing is massively overrated
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We disagreed then and now. Co-witness sights allows you to bring the gun on target without having to find the dot because the sights put you on the dot as you align the gun with the target. You are correct that the irons dont have to be aligned for the dot to be on target AND that the bullet will go where the dot is, the problem is finding the dot without the sights.

I have no doubt that once you are proficient finding the dot without sights, that your system works for YOU. Its just that its unnecessarily slow and tedious to learn, especially when we have been conditioned to use iron sights

YES co-witnessing sights are useful when the dot fails but also when changing the battery. I really dont see a negative to co-witnessed sights but plenty of positives
 
PieterCoetzee said:
We disagreed then and now. Co-witness sights allows you to bring the gun on target without having to find the dot because the sights put you on the dot as you align the gun with the target. You are correct that the irons dont have to be aligned for the dot to be on target AND that the bullet will go where the dot is, the problem is finding the dot without the sights.

I have no doubt that once you are proficient finding the dot without sights, that your system works for YOU. Its just that its unnecessarily slow and tedious to learn, especially when we have been conditioned to use iron sights

YES co-witnessing sights are useful when the dot fails but also when changing the battery. I really dont see a negative to co-witnessed sights but plenty of positives
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My Sig Max Michael doesnt come with irons.
Have fun with that.
Yet, I can still achieve A zone hits with no dot. Hmmm… imagine that
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Its NOT just about getting hits. Its about getting hits BEFORE getting HIT and co-witness sights will get you on target faster in real life. Co-witness sights are a better path the red dot shooting especially for a new dot user.

Your Sig Max is a RACE Gun. I cant imagine a Street gun with a red dot without co-witness sights
 
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PieterCoetzee said:
We disagreed then and now. Co-witness sights allows you to bring the gun on target without having to find the dot because the sights put you on the dot as you align the gun with the target. You are correct that the irons dont have to be aligned for the dot to be on target AND that the bullet will go where the dot is, the problem is finding the dot without the sights.

I have no doubt that once you are proficient finding the dot without sights, that your system works for YOU. Its just that its unnecessarily slow and tedious to learn, especially when we have been conditioned to use iron sights

YES co-witnessing sights are useful when the dot fails but also when changing the battery. I really dont see a negative to co-witnessed sights but plenty of positives
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I’ll tell you what’s tedious is the constant discussion by old timers who can’t get to grips with running a red dot. It is not hard to learn how to bring your dot up on target everytime. Does it take practice? Sure. Does it take the patience of a Shaolin monk? No, it’s all technique and it can be easily learned.

I’ve said all along it’s horses for courses. Everyone makes their own choice. Fudds gonna fudd.
 
KillerFord1977 said:
True. Why you train with dot off so when it fails.
I can acquire the top of the frame before cowitness or irons.
Like snap shooting a shotgun on clays, or firing from hip/top of holster with a pistol.
All work. All can get shots off and kills
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Yes you can use a dead red dot handgun without irons; but its like a caveman stone axe, why not have the better system of co-witness sights
 
PieterCoetzee said:
Yes you can use a dead red dot handgun without irons; but its like a caveman stone axe, why not have the better system of co-witness sights
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You do you
I’ll do me
And the rest do them.

If you’re confident in your skills, I am as well with mine. I can hit with irons, dots, or none of the above. Just takes practice. Like everything in life
 
Hi,

Jsimon78 said:
Am I the only one that has an issue with optics? I have 3 and each one I’ve kinda struggled with but can shoot fine with the irons. It might be me but I just can’t wrap my head around it anymore than I have.
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I can't really add anything to the conversation other than I'm still working to master my newish optics too. It gets a little better every time I practice with them. I'll swap the Hex Wasp for the new Holosun before I take the Echelon to the range again. The Mod.3 is working well with the Holosun. It'll be nice to have the same optic on both pistols for consistency. The Echelon will cowitness becauseof the direct mount but not the Mod.3 because of the mounting plate.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
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