I carry 357 magnum revolvers of different sizes and use different grains for what in doing. Example ill use speer short barrel 135 grain or hornady 125 grain flex tip in my m and p 340 amd ill go all the way up to 180 grain hard cast in my 686 plus when im around big gators here in florida. My issue is the fact that if youre a good guy and and an armed bad guy has to be dealt with, it doesnt matter what caliber you use if you get the wrong prosecutor hes going to spin it like youre the bad guy! If you carry 9mm and shoot the bad guy 5 or 6 times its too many shots ,if youre me and hit him twice in the center mass it's the caliber I used. What if im walking my 20 pound dog near a water area and I bring my 180 grain hardcast just in case and the gators stay away but a psycho human comes outta nowhere and tries to rob me with a knife and I shoot him. Now im screwed for the ammo I had in my gun for gators instead of the focus being on the fact that this pos tried to rob me.
Power vs capacity
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Belt Fed
SAINT
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Well I was here for less than a year and a lady a mile away or so was walking her dog and got drowned by a gator( the dog got away) and im from ct where the laws basically read that if you arent actively in the process of getting murdered that you're the one who's going to jail if you shoot a bad guy.
OldGrunt
Professional
You are now in the freedom loving south. Embrace it.
Southerner Up North
Alpha
Not ammo, but caliber brought a conviction of a man for using a 10mm when he defended himself against dogs and ultimately the dog's owner. Dog's owner attacked dog attack victim and victim defended himself.
Thats a choice for each guy to make on his own factoring in multiple things including his own skill set, recoil sensitivity , location, likelihood of innocent bystanders etc and id never try and convince a capacity guy to join my power team. That being said ive seen the good guy with a 9mm who defended himself with 5 or 6 rounds get just as much crap from prosecutors as the guy with a high caliber revolver and a heavy grain. Its either " why did you shoot him so many times" or " why did you use that 158 grain 357 round?" Either way its a messed up world when you as the law abiding man have to defend what you chose to defend yourself with instead of the logical approach of the criminal fd around and found out.
Oh I do brother and this fear ive heard from these florida lifers I work with of " dont new york our florida" are unfounded ( im actually from ct which isnt quite as bad) we moved down here because we were older and saw what happened up north, my sons know the truth , I spent decades pointing out things" used to be able to swim there ,now they make ya pay 20 bucks " etc taxes on your car every year, state income tax , wanna build a shed in your yard its getting taxed, tax on your social security , got a trailer for your puck up? TAXED! Parks fees, parking at your local beach? 60 bucks for the day! Those of us who came here are 2nd amendment, freedom loving types!
Ah, more self-defense fantasy stuff; in a real self-defense matter you'd better me up close and personal, otherwise you could retreat, if you can't hit the eyeball out of a psycho attacker with a .380 you need more practice. In fact, I can unload 6 rounds of .22 in less than one really slow second, does anyone know anyone who has been shot 6 times with a .22LR hp?
That was many years ago .
Where was that someone was saying the kind of ammo you used could get charges brought against you? Having the intent to kill or intent to do bodily harm.......whatever it was, it depended on your location, how the local looked at it, not just state law....???? I know I didn't dream that....
PieterCoetzee
Professional
Yeah I think maybe youve listen to too many YouTube videos and Shooting Insurance companies. The States Attorney doesnt get the file if you are listed as a VICTIM in the police report. Id suggest you learn how to articulate and should a shooting be necessary, explain why you had to shoot. Dont wait for you attorney...bad guys want an attorney.
Tell the officer what happened, make him understand that YOU are the victim, not the guy with MAGNUM holes leaking on the sidewalk or the guy with a mag full of 9mm holes.
Respectfully short of using tracer flame whatever that burst a guy into flames what caliber you choose is of no relevance. That’s an old outdated tale. (And the case woth 10mm in AZ woth the guy named Fish was not about the 10mm it was the statement of Fish didn’t jive with other folks that heard the shots and the time it was called in.)
We had this discussion on number of rounds in the thread about the Texas Dad and the car jacker
Bottom line as long as you can articulate the perp was still a threat. If he is on the ground and not reacting it’s best not to put one in his head!
As far as ammo if your out hunting or hiking and have 180 grains it’s not gonna make shootjng a person any more serious. And it won’t give the prosecutor an in to charge you if all things pointed it was justified then it was justified.
No different than a Hunter getting attacked and using his handgun or even rifle loaded with hunting rounds!
BassCliff
Ronin
Hi,
I just want to welcome you to the forum from the Wild Wild Upper Midwest, and encourage you to research the laws in your new home state. Many here have an attorney service or self defense insurance to help when necessary. There are a few websites that have a good overview of all the state laws. I use uscca.com, which has a fairly complete gun law reference resource for each state. Here is another info source... https://www.gunlaws.com/links/index.htm
For self defense legal protection there is also Attorneys On Retainer, CCW Safe, US Law Shield, just to name a few. Forgive me if I state the obvious but I wanted to make you aware if you felt the need for any of these types of services. Be sure to investigate thoroughly to find the right coverage for you. It’s been discussed many times in this forum.
I'm glad you found us. Thanks for joining.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
I just want to welcome you to the forum from the Wild Wild Upper Midwest, and encourage you to research the laws in your new home state. Many here have an attorney service or self defense insurance to help when necessary. There are a few websites that have a good overview of all the state laws. I use uscca.com, which has a fairly complete gun law reference resource for each state. Here is another info source... https://www.gunlaws.com/links/index.htm
For self defense legal protection there is also Attorneys On Retainer, CCW Safe, US Law Shield, just to name a few. Forgive me if I state the obvious but I wanted to make you aware if you felt the need for any of these types of services. Be sure to investigate thoroughly to find the right coverage for you. It’s been discussed many times in this forum.
I'm glad you found us. Thanks for joining.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
PAGunGuy
Custom
Is this the one that the community knew it had a gator problem and promised it would do something about it and didn't and now the family is suing? I just read about that earlier this morning
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...1&cvid=6a01b4c9396a4e83b9d68af8fc1b68c3&ei=16