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SMSgtRod

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The primer... you know, the little thing that makes the big bang!!

They come in Small/Large.... Pistol/Rifle....Shotgun....

I'd like to cover only the Pistol and Rifle here for now.
They both come in Standard and Magnum versions.

Follow your load data for which to use until you become expert
enough to work up your own loads.

One thing to understand is the difference in the Rifle and Pistol primers.
As rifle usually has the higher pressure, the primers are thicker cased.

If I run out of one, can I substitute the other? Well, maybe, but I wouldn't.

Rifle primers with the thicker case may not fire in the pistol.
Pistol primers in a rifle most likely won't hold the high pressure and
can blow out of the case.

The large Rifle Primer Pocket is deeper than the large pistol pocket.
Using a Large Rifle primer in a pistol case will result in the primer seating
beyond the case, not flush.

My opinion, you run out of the primer called out in the data, take a break
until you get resupplied.

Should you have to take a round apart, how do you handle the live primer
still in the case? Put it in a gun and pointed in a save direction fire it off.
Yes, put on the eyes and ears first as it is noisy and does flash a bit.
Nobody recommends decapping live primers.
Have a small bottle with oil in it so that if you have questionable live
primers (found on floor and can't identify) drop it in there. After a few
days they will be safe.

Don't handle primers with the fingers. Use tweezers or needle nose.
Body oils can damage the primer charge and cause corrosion over time.

Save all your decapped primers. They are brass like the cases and can
be recycled with your defective cases.
Shotgun primers are steel, keep them separate.
Store your primers in a cool dry place.

I leave you with this one quirky thing. 45ACP they are the same but different.
Federal uses small pistol primers and Winchester uses large. I had a
thousand Winchester and 50 Federal mixed in to reload and was not aware of
the Federal difference.
Got a little crazy when I started priming them. Stupid primers wouldn't
fit in the case. Of course a quick search and I got the education.


Should I have missed something or you disagree please leave a comment as all are appreciated.
 
The primer... you know, the little thing that makes the big bang!!

They come in Small/Large.... Pistol/Rifle....Shotgun....

I'd like to cover only the Pistol and Rifle here for now.
They both come in Standard and Magnum versions.

Follow your load data for which to use until you become expert
enough to work up your own loads.

One thing to understand is the difference in the Rifle and Pistol primers.
As rifle usually has the higher pressure, the primers are thicker cased.

If I run out of one, can I substitute the other? Well, maybe, but I wouldn't.

Rifle primers with the thicker case may not fire in the pistol.
Pistol primers in a rifle most likely won't hold the high pressure and
can blow out of the case.

The large Rifle Primer Pocket is deeper than the large pistol pocket.
Using a Large Rifle primer in a pistol case will result in the primer seating
beyond the case, not flush.

My opinion, you run out of the primer called out in the data, take a break
until you get resupplied.

Should you have to take a round apart, how do you handle the live primer
still in the case? Put it in a gun and pointed in a save direction fire it off.
Yes, put on the eyes and ears first as it is noisy and does flash a bit.
Nobody recommends decapping live primers.
Have a small bottle with oil in it so that if you have questionable live
primers (found on floor and can't identify) drop it in there. After a few
days they will be safe.

Don't handle primers with the fingers. Use tweezers or needle nose.
Body oils can damage the primer charge and cause corrosion over time.

Save all your decapped primers. They are brass like the cases and can
be recycled with your defective cases.
Shotgun primers are steel, keep them separate.
Store your primers in a cool dry place.

I leave you with this one quirky thing. 45ACP they are the same but different.
Federal uses small pistol primers and Winchester uses large. I had a
thousand Winchester and 50 Federal mixed in to reload and was not aware of
the Federal difference.
Got a little crazy when I started priming them. Stupid primers wouldn't
fit in the case. Of course a quick search and I got the education.


Should I have missed something or you disagree please leave a comment as all are appreciated.
Very good information and insight thank you.
 
The primer... you know, the little thing that makes the big bang!!

They come in Small/Large.... Pistol/Rifle....Shotgun....

I'd like to cover only the Pistol and Rifle here for now.
They both come in Standard and Magnum versions.

Follow your load data for which to use until you become expert
enough to work up your own loads.

One thing to understand is the difference in the Rifle and Pistol primers.
As rifle usually has the higher pressure, the primers are thicker cased.

If I run out of one, can I substitute the other? Well, maybe, but I wouldn't.

Rifle primers with the thicker case may not fire in the pistol.
Pistol primers in a rifle most likely won't hold the high pressure and
can blow out of the case.

The large Rifle Primer Pocket is deeper than the large pistol pocket.
Using a Large Rifle primer in a pistol case will result in the primer seating
beyond the case, not flush.

My opinion, you run out of the primer called out in the data, take a break
until you get resupplied.

Should you have to take a round apart, how do you handle the live primer
still in the case? Put it in a gun and pointed in a save direction fire it off.
Yes, put on the eyes and ears first as it is noisy and does flash a bit.
Nobody recommends decapping live primers.
Have a small bottle with oil in it so that if you have questionable live
primers (found on floor and can't identify) drop it in there. After a few
days they will be safe.

Don't handle primers with the fingers. Use tweezers or needle nose.
Body oils can damage the primer charge and cause corrosion over time.

Save all your decapped primers. They are brass like the cases and can
be recycled with your defective cases.
Shotgun primers are steel, keep them separate.
Store your primers in a cool dry place.

I leave you with this one quirky thing. 45ACP they are the same but different.
Federal uses small pistol primers and Winchester uses large. I had a
thousand Winchester and 50 Federal mixed in to reload and was not aware of
the Federal difference.
Got a little crazy when I started priming them. Stupid primers wouldn't
fit in the case. Of course a quick search and I got the education.


Should I have missed something or you disagree please leave a comment as all are appreciated.

Really glad you added the quirk note! I was just going to start reloading 45ACP, been doing 9mm for almost a year now. Made me go examine my shells. Interestingly, I'm holding in my hands a Federal 45ACP shell that has a large primer as well as other Federals that have small primers. Ugh!
 
Really glad you added the quirk note! I was just going to start reloading 45ACP, been doing 9mm for almost a year now. Made me go examine my shells. Interestingly, I'm holding in my hands a Federal 45ACP shell that has a large primer as well as other Federals that have small primers. Ugh!
Maybe Federal has changed their way of doing things or just showing their playful side! I have my 50 Federal
45ACP nicely cleaned, packaged in a zip lock, laying in the bottom of my clean cases bucket.

What loads are you using for your 9mm? Bullet? Powder? If I may be so bold as to ask!! Guess I was....
 
Maybe Federal has changed their way of doing things or just showing their playful side! I have my 50 Federal
45ACP nicely cleaned, packaged in a zip lock, laying in the bottom of my clean cases bucket.

What loads are you using for your 9mm? Bullet? Powder? If I may be so bold as to ask!! Guess I was....
lol

Ramshot Silhouette 5.6 gn
Barry's RoundNose 115 gn (.356)

Seems very consistent for range practice, though not quite as clean as I'd like. Have any recommendations for cleaner burning powders?
 
lol

Ramshot Silhouette 5.6 gn
Barry's RoundNose 115 gn (.356)

Seems very consistent for range practice, though not quite as clean as I'd like. Have any recommendations for cleaner burning powders?

I've had very good luck with Hodgdon's Clay's Powder.
115gr JHP from RMR (rmrbullets.com/free shipping)
3.5gr of Clays.
Pound can of Clay's seems to last forever loading 9mm ;)
I load this bullet and a 124gr TCFP in my 357SIG's
 
I've had very good luck with Hodgdon's Clay's Powder.
115gr JHP from RMR (rmrbullets.com/free shipping)
3.5gr of Clays.
Pound can of Clay's seems to last forever loading 9mm ;)
I load this bullet and a 124gr TCFP in my 357SIG's

Is your load reduced or full power?

While some of the gents at my practical pistol shooting club load down for easier control I prefer to practice with full power loads to reflect real life self-defense training vs. the game.
 
Is your load reduced or full power?

While some of the gents at my practical pistol shooting club load down for easier control I prefer to practice with full power loads to reflect real life self-defense training vs. the game.
Training with reduced loads is not good at all. IMHO.... You don't need to be used to shooting a BB gun and then defend yourself with a real gun in a life or death situation. Bang surprises you and the recoil throws off your second shot set up. Since I reload I can make my reloads feel the same way as expensive carry ammo.
If I was going to carry a M-29 44 Mag, I would not train with 44 Specials to reduce the punishment. I need to get used to the punishment to where I can handle it or find a weapon that suits me better. Dirty Harry looked real cool. Did it matter whether he fired 5 or six? No. He only shot blanks to begin with!!

Talyn.... you keep pressing on your way.... you'll be well prepared.
 
Training with reduced loads is not good at all. IMHO.... You don't need to be used to shooting a BB gun and then defend yourself with a real gun in a life or death situation. Bang surprises you and the recoil throws off your second shot set up. Since I reload I can make my reloads feel the same way as expensive carry ammo.
If I was going to carry a M-29 44 Mag, I would not train with 44 Specials to reduce the punishment. I need to get used to the punishment to where I can handle it or find a weapon that suits me better. Dirty Harry looked real cool. Did it matter whether he fired 5 or six? No. He only shot blanks to begin with!!

Talyn.... you keep pressing on your way.... you'll be well prepared.

The guys at the club are using either down-loaded 9mm or 38 supers. They have $$ and are really into the "speed game" (that's OK) and are shooting $4K guns all tricked out & choke unless cleaned and lubed daily. I've lost count how many times I've seen those pistol freeze up, and a couple of times the guys get squibs they have to pound out.

I want to reload standard full-power 9mms so if you have a good reliable load like that (115 or 124s) I'd appreciate it.

Thx!

BTW - I have a S&W 329PD that I do practice with 44 Specials since that pistol is so light its a handful with reg 44 Mags. But when I carry it out in the woods it has 44 Mags in it.
 
I like the load I posted earlier. It's at the top end of sub-sonic range. I only shoot Jacked and a few poly in the wheel gun loads. For target at the range the 124gr Tapered punch a nice round hole.
 
lol

Ramshot Silhouette 5.6 gn
Barry's RoundNose 115 gn (.356)

Seems very consistent for range practice, though not quite as clean as I'd like. Have any recommendations for cleaner burning powders?
I have used hs6 and be86, not sure which one was the cleaner. After shooting one day I picked up my brass and wondered if it was used or not. It was very clean in and out!
 
BTW, to add to the 45ACP quirk, Blazer Brass 45 also uses the small pistol primers. So then a question to the group:

If you reload both (and I can on my Dillon 650), are you changing the powder load between small and large primer cases?
 
BTW, to add to the 45ACP quirk, Blazer Brass 45 also uses the small pistol primers. So then a question to the group:

If you reload both (and I can on my Dillon 650), are you changing the powder load between small and large primer cases?
If the same bullet and powder charge and coal is the same then no, just change from large to small primer setup. If you were changing from standard to magnum or vice versa then yes!
 
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